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Re: Apple releases iOS 10.3

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Because software has bugs, filesystem software has data corruption bugs, and two years of development with only a couple of months of serious real-world testing is tiny for something like that. What other filesystems have gone from zero to being the only supported option on their platform in such a short time? ZFS took almost five years. HFS+ was supported in parallel with HFS for a long time. "And why they'd be more…

> Once again I have to wonder: have you written software before? Yes, for several decades -- though not filesystems. And I trivially know that software can always have bugs. I also know software has to ship at some point, and that is a different point than the "we're 100% sure it has 0 bugs" point -- which is not possible anyway. I also don't believe in some cargo cult "optimal necessary period of testing" to make su…

I knew this argument would be made.

Why should you believe me instead of the people writing APFS? You shouldn't. I'm stating my opinion on the matter. I'm allowed to disagree with them, and you're allowed to disagree with me, but "Apple thinks it's OK" is not going to convince me. If it was, then I wouldn't have formed a contrary opinion in the first place, since it's so obvious.

Further, we don't even know if the experts are confident. It's entirely possible this decision was made above them and forced on them. It's also entirely possible it wasn't, we just don't know.

In any case, if everything goes smoothly (and I hope it will), that doesn't disprove me. It could mean that you're right, or it could mean that I'm right and they got lucky. It could also mean that some people are losing data, but not visibly enough and not in large enough number to make the news.

You say "except, at worse, for some edge cases affecting tiny minorities/uncommon setups" as if that would justify Apple's approach. That's exactly the kind of thing I'm worried about here. I have no doubt it'll work for the common case. 99.9% of users will not suffer any problems. But I don't see why pushing APFS now as opposed to in a few years is worth the risk of that 0.1%.

Re: Apple releases iOS 10.3

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haha, I knew that "actually..." was coming. I deserved that. Whether our customers will be mollified by me replying "Actually, it's Apple's fault, you see..." remains to be seen. It has not been my experience that they're real forgiving of that kind of thing. I've been through this before. My white knuckle grip on my chair is loosening a little though-- we might get through this bit of turbulence ok. Knock on wood. ;…

Presumably you've been testing your app during the beta phase?

Apps. Nearly twenty, maybe more, I lost count. And no-- I actually wasn't expecting a filesystem switcheroo in a point release. Surprise!

Re: Apple releases iOS 10.3

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> Once again I have to wonder: have you written software before? Yes, for several decades -- though not filesystems. And I trivially know that software can always have bugs. I also know software has to ship at some point, and that is a different point than the "we're 100% sure it has 0 bugs" point -- which is not possible anyway. I also don't believe in some cargo cult "optimal necessary period of testing" to make su…

I knew this argument would be made. Why should you believe me instead of the people writing APFS? You shouldn't. I'm stating my opinion on the matter. I'm allowed to disagree with them, and you're allowed to disagree with me, but "Apple thinks it's OK" is not going to convince me. If it was, then I wouldn't have formed a contrary opinion in the first place, since it's so obvious. Further, we don't even know if the ex…

>In any case, if everything goes smoothly (and I hope it will), that doesn't disprove me.

Doesn't that make your case an empty statement that basically amounts to "you can never be too careful" (and which is always right, no matter the outcome)?

>But I don't see why pushing APFS now as opposed to in a few years is worth the risk of that 0.1%.

Because it improves lots of things with the 99.9% -- SSD utilization, better Time Machine, etc.

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