Dear minister, can I whisper in my wife's ear while having sex or do I have to get permission from government?
can I talk to myself using my inner monologue please ?
UK Home Secretary says encryption on messaging services is unacceptable
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Re: UK Home Secretary says encryption on messaging services is unacceptable
#102Hmm, this definitely brings up an interesting discussion I don't think HN has had before, especially something in a similar vein since Apple+San Bernardino fiasco. Obviously privacy is something that HN holds very close to its heart. But I'm interested in what do people here have to say about the privacy features are used by terrible people to do terrible things. And I want to share something that I think is one of t…
I strongly believe that tools are ethically neutral. A hammer, a knife or a government can be pretty useful, or pretty violent - depending on how you use it. This alone does not imply that a hammer, a knife or a government should not exist or be banned. edit: words
I believe the same. But what if these tools have too great impact if everything goes south? It happened with dynamites before, now look how jittery we are about nuclear.
You can flip this for privacy too. The more governments can spy on everyone, well sure we may catch more terrorists and terrorism might even decrease. But at what cost? Totalitarianism? Shudder.
Re: UK Home Secretary says encryption on messaging services is unacceptable
#103How do they want to prevent someone from creating his own end-to-end encryption app? It may use other protocols to encode content (images, tweets, fb posts etc.). For me it seems to be more in a direction of so called "Big Brother" than real counter-terrorism.
How do they want to prevent someone from creating his own end-to-end encryption app? That's not an issue. Writing solid encryption software is very difficult on its own. You will hear "do not roll your own crypto" all the time from security experts. We don't live in a James Bond universe and it's beyond the reach of terrorist organisations.
> Writing solid encryption software is very difficult on its own.
It's not. You can use existing software, reuse existing protocols, and stick to safe languages as much as possible. Even implementing your own crypto isn't all that difficult¹. I have written my own crypto library², and I can almost recommend it for production use.
[1]: http://loup-vaillant.fr/articles/rolling-your-own-crypto
Re: UK Home Secretary says encryption on messaging services is unacceptable
#104> She said it was a case of getting together "the best people who understand the technology, who understand the necessary hashtags" Our Government is an absolute disgrace; and unfortunately, one to which there is currently no credible, strong opposition. (from https://www.buzzfeed.com/matthewchampion/necessary-hashtags )
The emperor's new hashtags..
Re: UK Home Secretary says encryption on messaging services is unacceptable
#105How do they want to prevent someone from creating his own end-to-end encryption app? It may use other protocols to encode content (images, tweets, fb posts etc.). For me it seems to be more in a direction of so called "Big Brother" than real counter-terrorism.
> How do they want to prevent someone from creating his own end-to-end encryption app?
They can't. The US tried it in the 90's when SSL sites could not use strong encryption outside the US and you'd need a license to "export" PGP... That went well! :-/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography_from_th...
Re: UK Home Secretary says encryption on messaging services is unacceptable
#106By the same logic if we ban freedom of speech terrorism won't be able to speak with each other.
Seriously who voted these idiots.
Re: UK Home Secretary says encryption on messaging services is unacceptable
#107> "That is my view - it is completely unacceptable, there should be no place for terrorists to hide." I am sure a ban on encryption would work. Hey, guys, I just had a great idea. Let's ban bombs, knifes, and driving into people. That would fix the terrorism problem. Once it is illegal, no terrorist would dare do it!!! I'm wondering why Churchill didn't think to ban the Enigma machine. If only England was led by smar…
While we're at it, can we also ban crime? That'd be great.
Couldn't we just ban everything illegal outright? Why take so many detours?
Re: UK Home Secretary says encryption on messaging services is unacceptable
#108> "That is my view - it is completely unacceptable, there should be no place for terrorists to hide." I am sure a ban on encryption would work. Hey, guys, I just had a great idea. Let's ban bombs, knifes, and driving into people. That would fix the terrorism problem. Once it is illegal, no terrorist would dare do it!!! I'm wondering why Churchill didn't think to ban the Enigma machine. If only England was led by smar…
> Hey, guys, I just had a great idea. Let's ban bombs, knifes, and driving into people. That would fix the terrorism problem. They started banning guns almost a century ago. While it did probably reduce the number of gun murders, it certainly didn't make terrorist organisation like the IRA any less effective — and it probably made non-gun crime worse. Possessing encryption tools, lockpicks, knives, guns &c. is a fund…
Shouldn't possessing surveillance tools be a fundamental human right in this hypothetical scenario?
Re: UK Home Secretary says encryption on messaging services is unacceptable
#109Amber Rudd is the UK's Home Secretary not just any minister. "We need to make sure that our intelligence services have the ability to get into situations like encrypted Whatsapp." She has said she is "calling in" technology companies this week to try to "deliver a solution". Marr asks if they refuse to do that, will you legislate to force them to change? She's not drawn on that. Interview is here: http://www.bbc.co.u…
UK's best shot at surviving Brexit is become stronger on value added industries. They have a very good head start over any other EU country in IT and in some research areas. Amber Rudd seems hell bent on destroying their only chance.
They all are intent on crippling any chance the UK has at becoming stronger in high tech industries.
I'm so sick of getting "this is an adult resource and you can't view it" anytime I search for information about a drug (pharmaceutical, not just "weed LSD and lols").
Great fucking way to encourage your future chemists. Maybe ban keywords like JavaScript, PHP and SQL while at it, them's the powerful drugs maaan.
Re: UK Home Secretary says encryption on messaging services is unacceptable
#110Hmm, this definitely brings up an interesting discussion I don't think HN has had before, especially something in a similar vein since Apple+San Bernardino fiasco. Obviously privacy is something that HN holds very close to its heart. But I'm interested in what do people here have to say about the privacy features are used by terrible people to do terrible things. And I want to share something that I think is one of t…
In some sort of abstract theoretical vacuum I might be persuaded to support some form of limited targeted warrant-based intercept. However, this is the real world, and I'd want the serious trust issues fixed first . Surveillance of journalists. Invasion of privacy by journalists with the complicity of corrupt police. Surveillance of peaceful left-wing and environmentalist groups. Let's not be ignorant of history eith…
We all hope for a perfect world. But the problem is none of our perfect worlds are the same, so everyone of us end up living in our imperfect world.
The expectations you have are something I'd agree with too, but many other don't. So how do you reconcile this? Again the reconciliation process you will come up with is perfect according to you but most likely not according to others.
No one can ever win I guess.