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Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by vidarh »

james_pm wrote: post #43
startupdiscuss wrote: post #22

I just had an image of myself posting the headline: "Google discontinues Gmail and Search" as a way to kickstart a conversation about our reliance on services, and whether we can blame companies for not subsidizing services we like and so on. But then I realized it would just go sideways into a discussion about click bait and appropriate headlines, so I am posting it as a comment.

The Gmail part would go something like: Google discontinues Gmail and Google Inbox is the replacement! Then a year later, Google intros Mail from Google, a new webmail client that is like Inbox, but has more of the classic email interface UX that users expect. A year later, they announce Inbox is going away and everyone should move to Mail from Google, which they have rebranded "Gmail".

Notice how Inbox has a "Gmail" link? Even Google appears to still concede that Inbox is missing sufficient features that some people need to be able to get back to Gmail from time to type (tried getting Inbox to stop putting things in your spam folder? Yeah, it's lacking a "Not spam" button)

Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by erpellan »

"Collaborate on standards. Compete on quality"

Or something, I'm probably butchering the quote. There's a reason we can play CDs from any manufacturer in every manufacturer's player. Likewise SD cards, VHS videos, DVDs...

The importance of working with your competitors was well understood in the 1980's. Seem's it's a lesson we need to learn again: https://hbr.org/1989/01/collaborate-with-your-competitors-an...

Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by wykydtron »

throwaway91111 wrote: post #50
shmerl wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just failed. Google betrayed XMPP. You can blame Eric Schmidt for it. He gave some lame speech about how other instant messaging services aren't playing fair, so Google should also become a walled garden. And that was it. They made Hangouts and stopped caring about federated IM idea. It's a wonder we can send e-mails between many servers. Imagine someone like Eric Schmidt driving it. We'd be stuck with incompatib…

...and people switched to slack.

After Gtalk was killed in Google Apps, everyone in my company switch to Slack. Hangouts is a botched POS. None of us want to use video.

Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by thiagoharry »

ungzd wrote: post #58
scrollaway wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If ever there was a software example of killing the goose with the golden eggs. Imagine if they thought like that about email?

Google Wave was supposed to replace email. But actually they replaced email with gmail. Now you can't send email from your own server because it will be blacklisted on gmail by default and noone on gmail will receive these emails. So you have to use "cloud email providers". On Android they changed "Email" client to "Gmail" client.

Same here. My personal mail server is running for 4 years. Never had problems being blacklisted by gmail.

Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by petepete »

aclimatt wrote: post #64

Can somebody please explain to me Google's messaging strategy? As a Voice, Talk, Hangouts, SMS user for what feels like the last decade, I am so incredibly confused that I want to walk into Google and fire all 18 of the 19 messaging teams. That way at least we'll have one singular group to yell at when things go wrong. Here's the Google Messaging landscape as far as I know it: - Google Talk in Gmail: I think this is…

And the short-lived Google+ Messenger

Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by TheRealPomax »

scrollaway wrote: post #27

Here's what I don't get about Google. A few years ago, they were one of the only players in the IM game, alongside MSN, AOL IM, ICQ... have you heard about any of these lately? Of course not, they're all dead. Talk was built on top of XMPP, an open protocol, which helped its popularity as third party clients could connect to it. Talk was also built in to gmail, and at the time that was revolutionary: A fast and light…

fun fact, ICQ is doing just fine. They just stopped bothering staying in the English speaking game, it's now mostly a Russian thing. Doing quite well, still under active support and development.

Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by bigkm »

zokier wrote: post #70
maverick_iceman wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt they have any coherent strategy in the messaging space.

Throw shit on the wall and see what sticks? Isn't that what pretty much everyone is doing?

Once it sticks and everyone is using it, then shut it down

Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by jameskegel »

nawtacawp wrote: post #92

https://pbxinaflash.com/community/threads/r-i-p-google-voice... "Looks like June 26 may be the final curtain call for Google Voice. Google today announced that it's finally pulling the plug on Google Chat upon which Google Voice relies on the Asterisk platform."

You're quoting the comment of a guy taking his sources out of context. The G suite article he uses as a source doesn't contain the word Asterisk nor Google Voice

Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by scrollaway »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #85
scrollaway wrote: post #27

Here's what I don't get about Google. A few years ago, they were one of the only players in the IM game, alongside MSN, AOL IM, ICQ... have you heard about any of these lately? Of course not, they're all dead. Talk was built on top of XMPP, an open protocol, which helped its popularity as third party clients could connect to it. Talk was also built in to gmail, and at the time that was revolutionary: A fast and light…

Sadly Facebook also used to do XMPP which is annoying as well. Used to be you could login to either one from any XMPP client, this means Pidgin, which most people used to use for MSN Messenger, which I miss so much when I think of what has happened to Skype. Even though MSN Messenger had it's own weird flaws (like locking people out of their own accounts because people would force login attempts to force lock your ac…

> I secretly wish Discord had been based out of some open standard because it is well done.

I want to highlight that this is not realistically possible for anyone, not right now anyway.

When Discord was created, XMPP was the only option if you wanted to adopt an open standard, and it was absolutely not up to the task. Matrix was also an option but far too new.

Discord is a startup, and is run as a business (just like Slack). If you were at the head of a startup in the messaging space, and there were no reasonable open source options for messaging, you'd design your own. This is a hard process; making it an open protocol from the get-go removes a lot of your freedom.

I used to say (even here on HN) that Google was our best hope at creating a modern open source messaging protocol, by improving Hangouts and making it open. They have utterly failed.

I am confident Discord is our next best hope... assuming they succeed. Otherwise, it's back to waiting for Matrix to finish playing catchup.

Re: Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

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Post by wykydtron »

Spooky23 wrote: post #62
scrollaway wrote: post #27

Here's what I don't get about Google. A few years ago, they were one of the only players in the IM game, alongside MSN, AOL IM, ICQ... have you heard about any of these lately? Of course not, they're all dead. Talk was built on top of XMPP, an open protocol, which helped its popularity as third party clients could connect to it. Talk was also built in to gmail, and at the time that was revolutionary: A fast and light…

Everything has consolidated, so it's all about walling off users to increase friction between the Google/Facebook/Microsoft/Apple universes.

My gf gave in and bought an iPhone 7. I haven't owned an iPhone since 2009.... iMessage is pretty neat... But still, I'm sticking with Android.
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