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I invented the web. Here are three things we need to change to save it

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Re: I invented the web. Here are three things we need to change to save it

#101

For a start we need to get rid of this ad driven model. But this is not going to happen because people are addicted to free. Its like a drug.

You can have free without ads if the consumers shoulder the distrubtion themselves. Decentralized p2p content distribution is the key. The more people consume want it the more will contribute resources.

Re: I invented the web. Here are three things we need to change to save it

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post #88

> Today marks 28 years since I submitted my original proposal for the worldwide web. I imagined the web as an open platform that would allow everyone, everywhere to share information , access opportunities, and collaborate across geographic and cultural boundaries. Seems to me that the above and the points raised in point 2 sit on opposite sides of the spectrum. Either you get a free and open internet where everyone…

The spread of misinformation is better countered by educating people about the potential and existence of misinformation, rather than policing the web.

Just like children learning and growing wiser about everyday social deception etc., as opposed to policing everything people do and say offline.

Re: I invented the web. Here are three things we need to change to save it

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post #70

Does anyone else see as problem that web browsers are getting so feature-rich? That means that if anyone wants to write a new web browser he won't be able to.

>Does anyone else see as problem that web browsers are getting so feature-rich?

No. It would be a shame if software were forced to be only ever be simple enough for a single programmer to trivially reproduce. We would never have gotten past the terminal in that case.

> That means that if anyone wants to write a new web browser he won't be able to

Anyone can, they just need a lot of domain knowledge and time. They can also fork and edit existing open source browsers, or develop browsers which aren't quite so feature rich. But the complexity of the modern web is the result of generations of iteration on previous work, and of giving people a platform to express themselves in the way they want.

Most people want the feature-rich modern web, and that's impossible without browsers complex enough to deliver it.

Re: I invented the web. Here are three things we need to change to save it

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I would truly love a new "web" which is effectively style-free. I think the existing one is fine to continue for the general public, online shopping, social networks, etc.. but a parallel information-dense system that uses ultra light weight browsers that work on every device and platform, accessing machine-readable data with some standard stylesheet that concentrates in readability, and the "good" bits of the modern…

I agree completely with the need of a new web. The bad information all across the web is gimmicky and flashy click bait is everywhere. Many people are becoming weary and desensitized to everything out there. We need to create a clean and simple, no bs web where information is clear and reliable. Wikipedia I think is a small picture of what it could look like. Especially if better monitors are enforced.

> The bad information all across the web is gimmicky and flashy click bait is everywhere.

That's the price you pay for a web that isn't controlled entirely by governments or the media. The alternative is some service like Facebook determining what the truth is on your behalf, and you becoming nothing more than a pig feeding at their trough.

People cite disinformation, bad information and "fake news" as evidence that the web is broken, but it's not. That's evidence the web is working as intended - the problem is with the humanity it's reflecting.

Re: I invented the web. Here are three things we need to change to save it

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You can experience a better web. It's not easy though. You'll need to give up a lot. I turn off javascript in Firefox (must it really be done through about:config?). A lot of websites work and I appreciate those sites even more. Gmail still offering a HTML version for example. Then there are those that don't like Youtube. I've had to effectively give it up or find a workaround like youtube-dl and mpv. What does suck…

I have JS off 99% of the time and I don't feel that I give up a lot! Rather the opposite: Whenever I see something interesting here on HN or somewhere else and the site wants me to turn on JS, I realize that the subject may not be that interesting at all and just close the tab. Big time-saver! Win-win. :)

Exactly my approach. I only enable it for work (sometimes I actually need to do webdev) and web sites that I really need to use, like travel agencies.

Re: I invented the web. Here are three things we need to change to save it

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post #50
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can experience a better web. It's not easy though. You'll need to give up a lot. I turn off javascript in Firefox (must it really be done through about:config?). A lot of websites work and I appreciate those sites even more. Gmail still offering a HTML version for example. Then there are those that don't like Youtube. I've had to effectively give it up or find a workaround like youtube-dl and mpv. What does suck…

Can't your browser turn off JS on a per-domain basis? Just wondering.

Chrome can do the opposite, white list per-domain.

Re: I invented the web. Here are three things we need to change to save it

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post #88

> Today marks 28 years since I submitted my original proposal for the worldwide web. I imagined the web as an open platform that would allow everyone, everywhere to share information , access opportunities, and collaborate across geographic and cultural boundaries. Seems to me that the above and the points raised in point 2 sit on opposite sides of the spectrum. Either you get a free and open internet where everyone…

The spread of misinformation is better countered by educating people about the potential and existence of misinformation, rather than policing the web. Just like children learning and growing wiser about everyday social deception etc., as opposed to policing everything people do and say offline.

Is this just an opinion, or do you have any data on this?

Re: I invented the web. Here are three things we need to change to save it

#109

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I don't think that's a browser issue. More an authoring issue. You could serve up pages as text files, with as little html as a link.

There is a special circle of hell for people who write documentation on pages so javascript heavy that a lynx browser on a computer with broken graphics drivers can't load it.

ugh, we're still using ExtJS 4.1 from 2011. I don't know what circle I'm in but it's definitely not pleasant. Backwards compatibility for IE6!!

Re: I invented the web. Here are three things we need to change to save it

#110

The marketplace won't sort out the security issues, any more than it sorted out unstable banks. Consumers lack the ability to obtain information, understand the issues, and make good decisions. Computer systems should be regulated for safety, which includes confidentiality and integrity, like everything else.

I think you have expressed here a worldview that is completely different than mine, especially the bit about "consumers."

What does "regulated" mean to you?

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