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Messanger which got renamed to Android Messages a few weeks ago
That's just the SMS app.
Hangouts, Voice, and Allo are all meant to be SMS replacements — so they are directly competing with their SMS app.
Google Splits Hangouts into Chat and Meet
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#102Poe's Law as applied to enterprise messaging platforms. Dear Google, Please make one amazing chat app. Just one. Merge Allo, Duo, Chat, Hangouts, Meet, Messenger, Voice, and your RCS platform into one extensible platform with third party integrations. The comments in this thread? They are not flattering. It is not a sign of joy that people comment on Google releasing a new chat app, or confusing your branding even fu…
This. A thousand times this. First I stopped using Google+ (I mean: it isn't any good). Then over time I stopped logging Adium into Google Talk, because fewer and fewer people I know use it. I never started using Allo or Duo.
I found it utterly useless. But what made me finally give up on it for good was their G+ username (handle) policy.
They had already decided the first X characters of my handle (FirstnameLastname______) and then I had to add something to it. And not at all any of the usernames I wanted were taken. Some are still not taken. I realised this worthless piece of software/service isn't worth the time and Google has been proving it since then.
I tested Allo and Duo the day it was released. That's it. Work has GSuite so have to use Hangouts.
Re: Google Splits Hangouts into Chat and Meet
#103Poe's Law as applied to enterprise messaging platforms. Dear Google, Please make one amazing chat app. Just one. Merge Allo, Duo, Chat, Hangouts, Meet, Messenger, Voice, and your RCS platform into one extensible platform with third party integrations. The comments in this thread? They are not flattering. It is not a sign of joy that people comment on Google releasing a new chat app, or confusing your branding even fu…
> I have a friend on Android, I have an iPhone, how do I message them? What's your best solution. What if I want to switch from messaging to voice? Install hangouts on the iphone. It's not going anywhere anytime soon. Or you can have your friend install iMessage on the android. Wait apple doesn't port it's apps to android? I'm stunned.
Hangouts isn't going anywhere ?
We've all heard that many times before and with so many other apps duplicating Hangouts functionality I wouldn't be so confident.
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#104Google Cloud Next '17... introducing products that will go live in '18 and be shuttered in '20. Our company is evaluating team collaboration products right now. I told them not to even look at hangouts because you couldn't trust Google to keep a product alive. This was two days ago...
If you are still looking at this, we use the following solutions at work: - https://meet.jit.si as a hangout replacement (seems like a polished hangout alternative) - https://about.mattermost.com/ as a on-premise slack / hipchat / irc alternative (not affiliated with any of those products)
As long as https://appear.in is independent, I don't care what Google does with Hangouts. Appear.in doesn't even require a login!
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But Google doesn't segment their chat products based on target market, they segment it based on business unit. Google is just really unafraid of competing with Google in the marketplace, apparently.
Target market: enterprise * Video-conferencing & meeting: Hangouts Meet * Direct messaging & team communication: Hangouts Chat Target market: consumer * Video & audio calling: Duo * Text messaging: Allo You could even put it in a 2x2, doesn't get any more clear than this.
OK, so here is consumer case: weekly video call to parents, who live separately. Duo? 1-on-1. Hangouts Meet? enterprise. Original Hangouts? Who knows how long it will be here, but hey, Google Voice suddenly got updated after 5 years of neglect. Doesn't get any more clear than this.
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I would suggest you check out Discord, which works well for both the team and individual use cases in one user interface. The way they accomplish this is by having "Friends" (a familiar analogy for anyone who has used chat applications from the 2000s and current social media) as well as "Servers", which are akin to teams. Joining servers is very easy, creating servers - they are perhaps inaccurately named - is instan…
Why would an Allo/Duo user ever want to join a server, or something analogous? They just want to call or message their friend. I think it's obvious to merge some of their consumer point to point apps, but criticizing their group chat solution because they have consumer point-to-point apps is wrong.
Do you never want to talk to more than one person? I don't see why talking to one person is one app but adding another person means we need to stop, hangup, open a new app and reconnect.
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> I have a friend on Android, I have an iPhone, how do I message them? What's your best solution. What if I want to switch from messaging to voice? Install hangouts on the iphone. It's not going anywhere anytime soon. Or you can have your friend install iMessage on the android. Wait apple doesn't port it's apps to android? I'm stunned.
Hangouts isn't going anywhere ? We've all heard that many times before and with so many other apps duplicating Hangouts functionality I wouldn't be so confident.
The previous incarnation of what's now hangouts was seamlessly updated on whatever phone I had at the time when it was phased out. I don't even remember the name because it doesn't matter. Been on android since froyo without issue of the messenger app being retired.
It's not going anywhere anytime soon like I said and when it does, it'll get updated with the next thing and still have chat, voice, and video.
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But remember that most of the better team collaboration tools are paid and Hangouts is free and works good.
Is disrupting a large team when google inevitably change their minds worth "free" ?
This is a team/job culture question (but I can understand both sides). For some large teams this is a non brainer and some other teams in other companies will get near heart attacks when this happens ;)
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#109Yes Google's chat strategy is a mess, but this part is great news: > It’s a full rewrite of the Hangouts meeting experience and will work without any plug-ins (and Google also promises that it will be lighter on the processor, too, and won’t eat into your battery life or make your laptop’s fans spin at full speed). The team also cut down on the code size and promises that meetings will load “instantly.” Our team span…
Of course their "rewrite" and fix currently means that it only works on Chrome and not other browsers.
If it works properly, then it's no worse than having to install any other specific app like slack.
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#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
Target market: enterprise * Video-conferencing & meeting: Hangouts Meet * Direct messaging & team communication: Hangouts Chat Target market: consumer * Video & audio calling: Duo * Text messaging: Allo You could even put it in a 2x2, doesn't get any more clear than this.
OK, so here is consumer case: weekly video call to parents, who live separately. Duo? 1-on-1. Hangouts Meet? enterprise. Original Hangouts? Who knows how long it will be here, but hey, Google Voice suddenly got updated after 5 years of neglect. Doesn't get any more clear than this.
I'm not saying that they cover every use-case, just that now they have a very clear targeting.
If they don't support your use-case, use someone else's product.