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Re: Silicon Valley programmers pressure friends to quit working at Uber

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post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's about opportunities, it's about what impact it's making to this world, is Uber worth existing? Is it really making the world any better? Is it even irreplaceable? Or it's just a toxic company trying to suck every bit from the world with a fake mask of "sharing economy"? With racism and sexism?

> Is it really making the world any better? Does this mean no one should work in many companies that do not make the world any better than what it is now? One could easily argue that most of the companies, though they claim to make the world a better place, they honestly do not.

Institutions are generally necessary for a society to function. The only alternative that omits institutions is homesteading, and with 7+ billion people on this planet, that isn't really an option anymore.

Talking in absolutes doesn't actually aid the discussion.

Few institutions are purely good or purely evil. They are made of people, who themselves are not purely good or purely evil, who have their own motivations, some altruistic and some selfish.

We live in dynamic systems, in which institutions and individuals play a role. As a general rule all make things better in some ways and worse in others.

Transportation network companies (TNC) have produced economic winners and losers. Many people have access to more job options with less friction. Taxi drivers have seen their income shrink. The laws of supply and demand both with the network of one TNC and between the networks of multiple TNCs in competition with one another drive prices down. Driving the prices down makes transportation accessible to more people (both the more privileged and the less privileged), but it also drives down the income of those driving. Eventually self driving cars will drive down the costs further, democratizing convenient transportation further and eliminating many jobs.

Due to path dependency, humanity is heading down this path one way or another. If one institution doesn't take us in this direction, another will.

http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2011/0...

It's not going to be easy. It will be fraught with challenges, technical and social. The human and social problems will likely eclipse the technological problems in both scope and magnitude, but we're going to face them either way. We've been through this before during the industrial revolution. Life is recursive. It was a painful transition, but we came out the other side with a society that was more prosperous and had more opportunities for more people to live a life free of suffering than ever before. We can either claim the sky is falling, or we can put our heads down and work on figuring out how to solve the biggest challenges of our day. No solution we come up with will be perfect. We're going to have to cooperate in the form of institutions to tackle such large problems. No institution we come up with will purely make the world a better place because there are no silver bullets.

Re: Silicon Valley programmers pressure friends to quit working at Uber

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Friends, it is insensible to ask me to quit without giving me a better offer elsewhere.

The entire black population of Montgomery Alabama gave up taking the bus for over a year during the boycott because they cared enough to make that sacrifice. People who care enough sometimes go on hunger strike, lie down in front of tanks, and risk arrest for what they believe in. If you need a "better offer" than what I assume is your current 6-figure salary to change jobs, then Uber's sexist, anti-worker, sociopath…

Not sure that's the best example, since the Montgomery Bus Boycott was carried out in direct coordination with a carpooling system, so the activists took significant care to provide the alternative for the like-minded to take.

http://www.encyclopediaofalabama.org/article/m-5146

Re: Silicon Valley programmers pressure friends to quit working at Uber

#103
post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This argument would hold water if there was a common pattern of discouraging women or other tech minorities to avoid early stage startups. AFAIK this is solely an Uber thing though, because Uber is that much worse than the status quo. Also, this seems like maybe it would be a relevant consideration for joining Uber in 2010 - nobody joining in 2017 is hitting the lottery and contributing to a virtuous cycle.

AFAIK Again, I'm not going to try and present information contrary to what you know (it would likely just be attacked for being biased), but I would encourage you to ask yourself if you're adequately applied the null hypothesis to any institution on which you have formed a position: https://byrslf.co/the-null-hypothesis-loves-you-and-wants-yo... I would also encourage you to not consider the ways in which you believe…

> Again, I'm not going to try and present information contrary to what you know (it would likely just be attacked for being biased)

This is silly. "I could refute your point of view, but you would just make a baseless character attack against me, so I can't. Your fault really."

Fowler put forth what I and many others have found to be a cool headed, well documented, and credible account of events.

The ball is in Uber's court. So far they hired Eric Holder and there have been some resignations. Too soon to know for sure, but it does seem to lend further credence to Fowler's account.

If Fowler made something up, it will be up to you guys make that point.

I don't find the "I won't provide my version of events because you guys are not discussing this in good faith" very convincing. It's passive aggressive.

If you can't discuss because of legal issues or an agreement with your employer, that's fine. But don't blame us.

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