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#101
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Awesome to see Krishnamurti on HN. If anyone is interested, his book _Freedom from the Known_ is highly recommended: https://www.amazon.com/Freedom-Known-Jiddu-Krishnamurti/dp/0... .

>>Awesome to see Krishnamurti on HN.

But... but... it's not related to technology!

/s

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#102
post #56

Anecdote: Years ago I attended a talk by him at a large open ground in Chennai. Many people including some bigwigs were present. A few memories: - at one point he said, "burn all books, including those of the speaker / author". He used to refer to himself like that, not with "I" or "me" or "mine". - at one point, in some context, he used the words "over the table, under the table" - before he could even complete the…

Knowing that "Wherever they burn books, in the end will also burn human beings." (Heinrich Heine) I am curious of the context ..

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#103
post #89

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All you touch, and all you see is all your life will ever be. -Pink Floyd, TdSotM

Hmm. What do you reckon is the meaning of this line?

"In concrete fact I have no self other than the totality of things of which I am currently aware."

The Way of Zen, by Alan Watts

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#104
post #63

The following is a gem - this has been my guiding star for more than a decade. The self hides in many ways, under every stone, the self can hide in compassion, going to India and looking after poor people, because the self is attached to some idea, faith, conclusion, belief, which makes me compassionate because I love Jesus or Krishna, and I go up to heaven. The self has many masks, the mask of meditation, the mask o…

So...everything you do, no matter how selfless, is actually selfish if you look closely enough?

This is not meant to be understood consciously. It is a practice instruction. Can you objectify the sense of self? Can you observe the 'I'? Once you see it, that is a moment of awakening.

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#105
post #63

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So...everything you do, no matter how selfless, is actually selfish if you look closely enough?

That could not be true. When a poor is helped by a man and gets education and somehow he becomes rich, he also wants to help poor people because of gratitude not because he wants to feel better about himself. Its a selfless act not selfish.

You misinterpret the statement. It is about finding the 'I' wherever it may hide.

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> Krishnamurti's teachings are based on scriptures such as Upanishads and Gita. "the truth is a pathless land", what place does sacred scripture hold in JK's teaching? From everything I've read by him, none. Similarly for meditation practices, which he usually described as one of many ways to avoid the truth, there was a rejection of all (non)traditional means to awakening. If anything JK's teaching is that of the Bu…

Mooji's teachings very much follow Ramana Maharshi's method of self-inquiry. That he has a cult-like following is an unfortunate side-effect. I have seen his videos and noticed that some of his "followers" worship him. This phenomena is not surprising. Teachers of philosophy, devotion etc. are often surrounded by parasite-like followers who pay very little attention to teaching and practicing it in their lives. Their…

While it's not my cup of tea, some people seem to benefit from the path of devotion.

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#107
post #56

Anecdote: Years ago I attended a talk by him at a large open ground in Chennai. Many people including some bigwigs were present. A few memories: - at one point he said, "burn all books, including those of the speaker / author". He used to refer to himself like that, not with "I" or "me" or "mine". - at one point, in some context, he used the words "over the table, under the table" - before he could even complete the…

Knowing that "Wherever they burn books, in the end will also burn human beings." (Heinrich Heine) I am curious of the context ..

Just that knowledge itself isn't the end. Knowledge is just a thing, not "Truth" in and of itself. Thinking and knowledge simply obscure the perfect Truth that is this moment.

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#108
post #62

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Okay, so try his official site: http://jkrishnamurti.org/default.php > This website is the official repository of the teachings of J. Krishnamurti, made possible by the Krishnamurti Foundations (KFT, KFA, KFI, FKL) © 2017

That is still someone else making a website, not Krishnamurti himself.

Sure, because he is dead. I also found this: https://www.kfa.org/faq.php#mission

Ultimately, I can't prove anything, but given that everyone is "dispelling his teachings" and states that he wanted his "teachings" to live on, etc. -- oftentimes in the same paragraph of "but he wasn't a teacher" -- makes this whole thing seem really silly to me.

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> "spiritual" junk Have you read the article? Understanding how things work is one of the fundamental quests of humanity. It might not be a scientific journal, but calling it "spiritual" junk is unfair.

This is not "understanding how things work" in a meaningful technical way, but in a non-testable, non-provable, "spiritual" way. One which I don't care much for and which I find frequently misleading.

Spiritual inquiry of this nature is not completely illogical. It's frequently shown that the free will humans believe they have is an illusion, and the topic of identification of the ego is revered enough to be included in psychiatric textbooks. The concept of consciousness is very pertinent to AI. I believe these topics are relevant enough.
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