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A secret of many urban 20-somethings: Their parents help with the rent

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Re: A secret of many urban 20-somethings: Their parents help with the rent

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The amount of cowardice required to make a throw away account on hacker news to make a point (that isn't even particularly controversial) staggers me.

I made this account to post something else, just happened to comment here as well.

I saw your other comment - fair call. Talking about you personal family issues is something else entirely.

To answer your original point - a small minority of people globally are able to live comfortably by themselves. Sure. I am not taking a global position, I am taking a position firmly rooted in being form a high income developed country.

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> basic income is actually just a continuation of the same inflationary alchemy It's no such thing; not remotely. BI isn't new money, it's simply a redistribution of money from those with more to those with less. It won't increase the money supply and thus doesn't cause inflation.

Even if not implemented through monetary inflation, BI will cause price inflation. Housing asset prices are primarily constrained by the affordability of rent - either to a landlord or directly to the bank. If everybody can spend twice as much on rent then rent just doubles, and if interest rates remain the same then paper appraisals double. BI seems desirable because it addresses a glaring symptom of the inflationar…

> Housing asset prices are primarily constrained by the affordability of rent

In a low interest rate environment this is not really true. Speculative booms can and do occur (see Australia). During such booms the ratio of house prices to rents diverges significantly. It is rents that are constrained by wages - not house prices (people don't take out loans to pay rent like they do to buy houses).

Re: A secret of many urban 20-somethings: Their parents help with the rent

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I got my bachelors in CS at a state university on a full-ride scholarship I qualified for in high school, but was out of a job for a year, living on what I've saved up and loans from my parents.

Eventually, I got a job as a developer in a mid-size city, making decent money relative to cost-of-living and not having to have roommates because I was spending only ~33% on rent. Though I'm not swimming in money, I have become financially independent as much as any wage or salaried worker is able.

Though in my outlook I never really subscribed to the notion that all problems are fixable by pulling oneself up by their bootstraps, I'm realizing that this held true in my case. And as I get older I am finding it harder and harder to sympathize with my peers who've learned less marketable skills and are now living many three or four to an apartment in economic insecurity, or have moved to urban centers or boomtowns chasing their dream yet aren't much better off. Those who continuously receive assistance from their parents do not mirror my own experience, as any money my parents lent me was sorely missed and paid back at first opportunity, while those who are doing this on their own are making little measurable progress to attain a better quality of life, notwithstanding their best intentions.

It's unfortunate that one's socioeconomic wealth still so strongly predicts their own wealth, It's unfortunate that certain systems perpetuate structural problems, and some people never get the chance to climb out of poverty, but some others are afforded a way up and choose not to pursue it.

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Because I think it's shameful not to be financially self-sufficient. it's an important part of adulthood. To me regular financial help from your parents is something a child or teenager receives - it's an allowance. I'd like to think that if the generation before me had some money knocking about, that I'd have the same attitude. Let them spend their hard earned money on a cruise or a holiday, rather than supporting t…

I get that from a "protestant work ethic" sense, but just because people get help from their families doesn't mean they're incapable of being self-sufficient. This is a part of the reason that many wealthy families stay wealthy. Whether it's a down payment, help with rent, or the understanding that they'll be a backstop if everything falls apart, it lets the next generation take risks that would be completely imprude…

This fully from my own cultural perspective. It's not a moral judgment or a universal judgment. But if I am honest with myself, I feel it's shameful.

Re: A secret of many urban 20-somethings: Their parents help with the rent

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"grimmer prospects in relationships (partly cost me the love of my life) " I'm sorry for that. I can sympathize slightly. Rich people really don't get it. Yeah. Me last week on the way to a strip club: 'Who's paying for this taxi? Are we going far? Do we have to pay to get in?' Fried (girl I ALMOST dated): 'Oh my god you're SO cheap, you're such a killjoy, just stop worrying about the money blah blah blah.' Yeah, I p…

> I can't even get my car fixed right now. Have you considered not having a car? It saves a lot of money - and a lot of stress. I set aside some money to buy a car last year, but never did. I liked the way that money looked in my bank account a lot better. Plus no petrol costs, or licensing costs, insurance, parking... Not sure where you are in melbourne, but it's pretty practical to get around there without a car. M…

I've recently moved house and I'm nearer a train station (although I can't actually move my stuff since no car), but it would be very difficult to not have one at all.

Visiting my parents would be basically impossible, as well as going to friend's houses. Also I'm not sure which university I might be going to, but it might require one, and trying to run my own business will require one for posting items and such. And I can't really date if I can't pick people up. I don't feel like Melbourne is really a city where you can get away with having no car easily, unless you can contain your whole life to the inner suburbs and city.

Petrol's not too bad in mine since it's a Prius.

Re: A secret of many urban 20-somethings: Their parents help with the rent

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Even if not implemented through monetary inflation, BI will cause price inflation. Housing asset prices are primarily constrained by the affordability of rent - either to a landlord or directly to the bank. If everybody can spend twice as much on rent then rent just doubles, and if interest rates remain the same then paper appraisals double. BI seems desirable because it addresses a glaring symptom of the inflationar…

> Housing asset prices are primarily constrained by the affordability of rent In a low interest rate environment this is not really true. Speculative booms can and do occur (see Australia). During such booms the ratio of house prices to rents diverges significantly. It is rents that are constrained by wages - not house prices (people don't take out loans to pay rent like they do to buy houses).

Sure, there are transient booms and busts. But as you imply, those are exceptions. Long term, apartment rents are constrained by wages and likewise monthly payments on mortgages are constrained by wages. Those monthly payments are directly related to interest rate and total asset price.

Re: A secret of many urban 20-somethings: Their parents help with the rent

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If you were taking a woman on a date to a place where women are objectified, I'd be open to the possibility that money isn't your only obstacle.

Get off your moral high horse, you can't possibly know the full circumstances of the OP to make such assumptions. This SJW mentality has to stop.

Re: A secret of many urban 20-somethings: Their parents help with the rent

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My wife and I are both engineers in our mid 30s, and owning a modest home with a 30 minute commute to the city can probably never happen. The amount of old money around here is staggering. I was raised in the midwest, and can't think of any communities back there where a two-engineer household couldn't live. So yeah it doesn't surprise me fresh liberal arts grads in Boston are getting help.

Boston area? Plenty of places where a two engineer family can buy within 30 mins. Belmont, Malden, Melrose, Somerville, Chelsea, Revere, Dorchester, West Roxbury, parts of Arlington and Cambridge all should have affordable (for two engineers) housing.

Yeah I guess you're right about that. My wife works far west of Boston, so I've only looked at the towns in between.

Re: A secret of many urban 20-somethings: Their parents help with the rent

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My wife and I are both engineers in our mid 30s, and owning a modest home with a 30 minute commute to the city can probably never happen. The amount of old money around here is staggering. I was raised in the midwest, and can't think of any communities back there where a two-engineer household couldn't live. So yeah it doesn't surprise me fresh liberal arts grads in Boston are getting help.

Boston area? Plenty of places where a two engineer family can buy within 30 mins. Belmont, Malden, Melrose, Somerville, Chelsea, Revere, Dorchester, West Roxbury, parts of Arlington and Cambridge all should have affordable (for two engineers) housing.

A Somerville double-decker these days can be sold for a million dollars, one of its constituent apartments for half that.

Two engineers can afford a $500k mortgage?

Re: A secret of many urban 20-somethings: Their parents help with the rent

#110

As a tenant in one property in Boston who receives no help from his parents, I deeply resent the ease with which you attained wealth by just renting out ever-rising Bostonian housing.

Curious how you know it was easy? A colleague of mine is a landlord and it seems externally to be a huge pain. Definitely put me off of trying to do the same.

As acomjean noted, if you can make 3x your mortgage/fees as a rentier, and the rents rise every single year, you're being easily buoyed upward by the market.
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