Excellent news on an otherwise pretty terrible day. Brian Chesky and the entire Airbnb team are showing America at its very best: forward-looking, innovative, diverse, multicultural and. The contrast with the Trump-type people -- primarily angry, insular, bitter old people who are terrified of brown people and still live within 10 minutes of their high school -- could not be more striking.
Airbnb is providing free housing to refugees and anyone not allowed in the US
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#102https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_the_United_St...
Only visitors from the few countries in blue or green are permitted entry automatically:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Visa_policy_of_the_USA....
I mention this without any advocacy for any position, but because some commenters seem to expect that borders are normally open. Every country has similar restrictions. Many countries don't admit US citizens without a visa.
Edit: Rayiner, I'm in favor of more and easier travel generally, I'm referring to the wording of Brian's tweet.
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's dumb argument, sorry. Disaster relief is temporary and help is provided to people who suffer from external circumstances. Housing for homeless is a daily job for the government and it is different, significantly bigger problem, for which the solution is not affordable for any single private organization or person. Private organizations have limited resources and they have the right to choose whom to support fi…
No its not a "dumb argument". Homelessness is just as much of a humanitarian crisis. It's just nowhere nears as large a part of the news cycle. >"Disaster relief is temporary and help is provided to people who suffer from external circumstances" Refugee resettlement is a significant undertaking that often involves a year or more of living in transition. This isn't "disaster relief" in the sense that there was a flood…
It's dumb because it judges private business on how it spends its resources on charity. It's also dumb because it suggests that some people are better then others and deserve the help more.
>Homelessness is just as much of a humanitarian crisis.
Homelessness is not an acute crisis, which happens and develops as quickly as execution of order of insane U.S. president. It's a problem that can and should be successfully addressed by the government by variety of means, because homelessness is fully under the control of the government (which can offer rehabilitation, medical treatment, shelters and assistance with finding jobs to homeless and social aid to people who may become homeless otherwise), while the causes forcing people to run from their homes in other countries are not.
Here is offered not the permanent settlement of refugees (for 10-15 years): there's probably no host in the world willing to give their property to a family of strangers for that long. It's a relief: the measure signed by Trump is sudden, it has limited period of action and could possibly be repealed, but now many people are stuck in limbo and have to change their plans and make a lot of decisions about their life in next few months. Easing it for them by giving a place to stay is one of the ways to help, so why not?
>Except that much like the refugee crisis the help from governments isn't fixing the problem. Statistics show that governments can be pretty effective in solving these problems and U.S. government is quite good in that sense, as I can see.
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is appointed to be the best and most competent venue to address problems like that. Government is the way "collective individuals and businesses" solve the problems that impact the whole society. Replacing it with something else is appointing yet another government, which will require yet another form of legislation (because there have to be the rules), yet another form of taxation and tax collection (because it w…
>>It is appointed to be the best and most competent venue to address problems like that. Government is the way "collective individuals and businesses" solve the problems that impact the whole society. I do not believe that should be the function of government, nor that is was "appointed" to do any such thing. The role of government is protect the negative rights of individuals, government "is the organization of the…
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let's be clear: if you are taking a public stand against the president of the United State who is known to be vindictive, you are taking a stand. ALL OF THEM. It is never just a stunt, because a stunt means there's no risk.
>"It is never just a stunt, because a stunt means there's no risk." I'm sorry I fail to see what risk has now been assumed by AirBnB by having a cofounder send out a Tweet.
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#106AirBNB might want to adjust their offer since the majority of the world population are not allowed in the US. Visas are limited by country and can be an arduous process. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_the_United_St... Only visitors from the few countries in blue or green are permitted entry automatically: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Visa_policy_of_the_USA.... I mention this without any advoca…
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
>>It is appointed to be the best and most competent venue to address problems like that. Government is the way "collective individuals and businesses" solve the problems that impact the whole society. I do not believe that should be the function of government, nor that is was "appointed" to do any such thing. The role of government is protect the negative rights of individuals, government "is the organization of the…
You used a good quote, but you'd better talk about it's meaning and how exactly it contradicts what I was saying, because "protection of persons, liberties and properties" does include helping people not to die on the street (even for selfish interests of rich public that still makes sense) and it's unclear why you believe otherwise.
"But when the law, by means of its necessary agent, force, imposes upon men a regulation of labor, a method or a subject of education, a religious faith or creed — then the law is no longer negative; it acts positively upon people. It substitutes the will of the legislator for their own wills; the initiative of the legislator for their own initiatives. When this happens, the people no longer need to discuss, to compare, to plan ahead; the law does all this for them. Intelligence becomes a useless prop for the people; they cease to be men; they lose their personality, their liberty, their property. Try to imagine a regulation of labor imposed by force that is not a violation of liberty; a transfer of wealth imposed by force that is not a violation of property. If you cannot reconcile these contradictions, then you must conclude that the law cannot organize labor and industry without organizing injustice."
"You say: "There are persons who have no money," and you turn to the law. But the law is not a breast that fills itself with milk. Nor are the lacteal veins of the law supplied with milk from a source outside the society. Nothing can enter the public treasury for the benefit of one citizen or one class unless other citizens and other classes have been forced to send it in. If every person draws from the treasury the amount that he has put in it, it is true that the law then plunders nobody. But this procedure does nothing for the persons who have no money. It does not promote equality of income. The law can be an instrument of equalization only as it takes from some persons and gives to other persons. When the law does this, it is an instrument of plunder. With this in mind, examine the protective tariffs, subsidies, guaranteed profits, guaranteed jobs, relief and welfare schemes, public education, progressive taxation, free credit, and public works. You will find that they are always based on legal plunder, organized injustice."
The Law - by Frédéric Bastiat
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#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
>"It is never just a stunt, because a stunt means there's no risk." I'm sorry I fail to see what risk has now been assumed by AirBnB by having a cofounder send out a Tweet.
You say that as if nothing important happens on twitter, but as we have seen recently, the president pays a lot of attention to twitter.
An action that involved real effort would have been a twee that contained a link to the AirBnB's program to help alleviate the problems faced by refugees.
The President of the US is an odd example because that runs counter to your point I believe. Trump Tweets are the ultimate symbol of vacuousness, vanity and impulse.
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#109Translation: "AirBnB looks for cheap positive publicity".
No one needs AirBnB to "facilitate" renting out a home to refugees etc. Refugees know and use Ebay classified ads, Craigslist and others.
This whole thing is blatant Twitter populism, in fact the same thing that Trump is doing.
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No its not a "dumb argument". Homelessness is just as much of a humanitarian crisis. It's just nowhere nears as large a part of the news cycle. >"Disaster relief is temporary and help is provided to people who suffer from external circumstances" Refugee resettlement is a significant undertaking that often involves a year or more of living in transition. This isn't "disaster relief" in the sense that there was a flood…
>No its not a "dumb argument". It's dumb because it judges private business on how it spends its resources on charity. It's also dumb because it suggests that some people are better then others and deserve the help more. >Homelessness is just as much of a humanitarian crisis. Homelessness is not an acute crisis, which happens and develops as quickly as execution of order of insane U.S. president. It's a problem that…
Homelessness is not acute? I think you not be using that word correctly. For people living paycheck to paycheck they are often one check away from being homeless. It can happen overnight!