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Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility” for Heroin Addicts

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I was at a law enforcement armorer class with some police officers from various agencies in the Northeast recently. The most impactful thing I heard "People who get narcanned multiple times should just be killed" -- maybe not his literal belief, but the problem seems to be out of control. He had stories of "frequent customers" who kept coming to hospitals/police stations/fire departments to shoot up in the bathrooms,…

> As a King County resident, though, I want this facility nowhere near me. As long as it stays in Seattle or near SeaTac, I'm ok with it. Yes, this is NIMBYism. At the risk of being flagged into oblivion, this is why I f-king hate the Eastside. I live and own property in Seattle (so I pay King County taxes just like the rest of you lot) and I'm sick and damn tired of Seattle being the dumping ground for whatever crap…

If Seattle doesn't want so many addicts maybe we should stop paying for them?

Source: Resident of the city of Seattle

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Prof. Nutt in the UK did some research on this, if you're interested in an objective analysis of this subject. http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2010/11/drugs_caus...

I am skeptical of the 16 metrics used to rank harm on a 0 to 100 scale.

His research was sufficiently well regarded, that when the British government sacked him from their advisory panel, all the other scientists resigned in protest

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Nutt#Government_position...

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See Vancouver's Insite program for proof it works. It's been a huge economic and social success, allowing timely intervention to help drug users get clean, reducing the rate of HIV and HepC amongst intravenous drug users and helping numerous people get a fresh start at life.

Serious question: what is the proof that Vancouver's program works? How is the program "falsifiable"? Meaning what condition(s) would need to be met for it to be considered a failure? And how much money was spent to reach the current levels of success?

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As a resident of Capitol Hill, I want this right near me. And I want to see another one in Belltown. And another near the waterfront. And another on Aurora. And then another twenty throughout the city. There are junkies shooting up around me every day. They deserve safety and dignity, just like everyone else.

As an adult, you have to make tradeoffs. Given that the supply of money is finite (unless you're Bernie Sanders who believes that money grows on trees), you have to decide whether to spend the money on this, or on, perhaps, kindergartens, schools, public transportation, and the like. TBH, I'd rather the junkies got a different kind of help: forced rehab. Got caught with heroin in your blood? Off to rehab you go. That…

Except homeless people dying of aids in county hospitals is expensive.

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On Facebook here in the middle to upper class suburbs of Baltimore I see friends of friends OD and dying once a month. I don't understand why as growing up I dont recall such an epidemic, yet I do recall a ton of don't do drugs type of education. Has all those type PSAs & education in schools cease to exist and or not as well funded as back in the 80s and 90s?

Rise in overdoses can be attributed to dealers adding fentanyl (an extrememly strong synthetic opiate) to their product. If a particular salesman has a product which people have reportedly overdosed on will flock to them as they must be selling a stronger product. Another scenario is where the chemical isn't there in the first place and the dealer is simply mixing fentanyl with a filler, due to it's extreme potency (…

Fentanyl is actually being synthesized by the Mexican cartels now and added to the heroin before it even makes it to the street dealers. It's getting really crazy.

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Opioid use is not inherently dangerous (indeed, long-term pharmaceutical-grade opioid use is remarkably safe does not cause organ damage, unlike alcohol). There are several actual circumstances where opioid use gets dangerous to life and they are: 1) Dosage/concentration uncertainty 2) Contamination of a lower strength opioid (say, morphine or heroin) with a much higher strength one (fentanyl or fentanyl analogues) 3…

Good points, but what about addiction and neurotransmitter equilibrium? If something is addictive enough, and highly available, do you think that it would become an unnecessary brain dependency?

I feel like someone functions better with their regular, stable dose of pharmaceutical-grade opioids in them -- I don't have any medical or moral issue with that at all. It's honestly...a lot like the hair dryer anecdote in http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/21/the-categories-were-mad....

As for the LD50 issue -- yes, opioid-naive (non-tolerant) users will have a low LD50 but they also won't need much a dose to get the effects. As people get opioid tolerant, the dose that will kill them also increases in step. It's not a case of "user needs higher and higher dose but needs to not cross a fixed LD50 threshold". Because opioids mostly just affect opioid receptors (unlike stuff like alcohol, which is hepatotoxic), tolerance means the LD50 increases in step with the effective dose.

The popular picture of the heroin addict who has to use higher and higher doses to get the desired "high" is a creation of prohibition -- there's no inherent need to do anything of the sort if one has proper medical access to the right dose of prescription opioids. Moderate and safe opioid use is difficult under prohibition if only because it's hard to moderate oneself without precise and pure measured doses.

There's plenty of people who engage in moderate long-term opioid use, between pain patients or "high functioning" heroin users. Those people tend not be the face of opioid use precisely because they have access to the drugs in ways that are stable, safe, not life-ruiningly expensive, and doesn't place them in regular contact with criminal organizations. They aren't exposed to the worst harms of prohibition and that's why they're able to keep using (without anyone knowing that they use) and have a stable career/family.

To be clear, none of this is to say that opioids are harmless or that should be handed out like candy -- they're serious drugs and should be used responsibly by people who are aware of the risks/contraindications.

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Yes, finally people are starting to see drugs addicts as the valuable people they are and not as disposable felons. Addiction is a sickness that affects people not a failure of morals that needs a jail sentence.

Living in a community with heroin addicts that see every opportunity to rob someone for a fix, sorry addicts are criminals first. There is no excuse for their behavior.

There's no excuse for robbing people for any reason, but the addicts who do that are broke and are faced with a choice of re-feeding their addiction (via theft or robbery) or immense suffering.

You do not see this issue in wealthy heroin addicts, I promise.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an adult, you have to make tradeoffs. Given that the supply of money is finite (unless you're Bernie Sanders who believes that money grows on trees), you have to decide whether to spend the money on this, or on, perhaps, kindergartens, schools, public transportation, and the like. TBH, I'd rather the junkies got a different kind of help: forced rehab. Got caught with heroin in your blood? Off to rehab you go. That…

Except homeless people dying of aids in county hospitals is expensive.

Sure would help if they went through rehab to kick the addiction, and not get AIDS then.

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The Midwest/East Coast really need this, since that is where all the powder, fentanyl-laced heroin goes. People are dropping like flies in those regions of the country, while I would imagine the West Coast, where black tar heroin is sold, hasn't seen as much of an increase in overdoses/deaths.

What's the difference between powder and black-tar heroin?

In addition to what the others have said, black tar is essentially heroin that is made by skipping a few of the steps in the "standard" heroin synthesis process. Whichever cartel controls West Coast distribution decided that was good enough for them, and customers would buy it regardless. I'm actually curious as to why the other cartels bother producing powder heroin at all.

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> As a King County resident, though, I want this facility nowhere near me. As long as it stays in Seattle or near SeaTac, I'm ok with it. Yes, this is NIMBYism. At the risk of being flagged into oblivion, this is why I f-king hate the Eastside. I live and own property in Seattle (so I pay King County taxes just like the rest of you lot) and I'm sick and damn tired of Seattle being the dumping ground for whatever crap…

If Seattle doesn't want so many addicts maybe we should stop paying for them? Source: Resident of the city of Seattle

You're paying one way or another. If not this, you're going to see increased hospital and law enforcement costs.
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