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Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by andrewflnr »

daxorid wrote: post #79
intro-b wrote: post #2

How this is happening, the exact trajectory of how much worse these things are (and its potential to worsen) is somewhat terrifying, especially when you consider the cavalier disregard and easy ignorance that this policy represents. I know classmates and colleagues and friends who are discussing, in their groups and communities, how to best help people stranded, whether or not vacations and returns to see ill family…

Terrifying, how? This is what Trump promised, and the reason we voted for him. Half of us are quite happy to see campaign promises actually implemented. HN is acting as if this was capricious and unplanned. In fact, it's what half of us wanted.

I think a lot of people voted for Trump only because they thought Clinton was even worse. AFAICT most of the GOP didn't want Trump either, they just couldn't unify behind one of the alternatives. It's safe to say most of the country is unhappy about this crap.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by akiselev »

kevinburke wrote: post #55

Foreign students nearly always pay full tuition at US universities and help keep them afloat. Making the US undesirable for immigrants is going to make it harder for US colleges and universities to offer a great education.

Not just universities either. After the 2008 recession many private schools started to aggressively court international students, charging them as much as 2-3x base tuition plus room and board. 3 out of the 7 Catholic private schools in my area depend largely on a small group of Chinese students to be able to offer affordable tuitions to low income students. For every international student they lose, they'll lose 5-10 local students because their families can't afford the unsubsidized tuition and the schools will enter into a death spiral. This will happen while at the same time the Department of Education is slowly dismantled and opponents of public education cripple and profiteer off its privatization.

The far reaching and long term consequences the US will experience from this executive order are staggering.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by maxerickson »

daxorid wrote: post #79
intro-b wrote: post #2

How this is happening, the exact trajectory of how much worse these things are (and its potential to worsen) is somewhat terrifying, especially when you consider the cavalier disregard and easy ignorance that this policy represents. I know classmates and colleagues and friends who are discussing, in their groups and communities, how to best help people stranded, whether or not vacations and returns to see ill family…

Terrifying, how? This is what Trump promised, and the reason we voted for him. Half of us are quite happy to see campaign promises actually implemented. HN is acting as if this was capricious and unplanned. In fact, it's what half of us wanted.

It was obviously poorly planned.

And it is pretty capricious.

But yeah, he did repeatedly say he would do it.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by [deleted] »

appleiigs wrote: post #36
hesdeadjim wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not America that did this it's a minority of America. The rest of us feel like prisoners in our own country when faced with this kind of complete and utter insanity.

It's not a minority, 46.1% voted for Trump according to CNN

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Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by malcolmgreaves »

powertower wrote: post #46
jasonjei wrote: post #4

What's scary is the new immigration ban affects legal, permanent residents. US legal, permanent residents that have firmly rooted their lives in the US, only to be told they can't come home.

Overall, I don't see this as such a bad thing... But every major decision is going to have its outliers. This is a temp 90-day ban on non-reciprocating countries (and countries of concern), which the FBI said they are not able to properly vet (because those countries will not provide background info on the applicant, and some other reasons). It only affects non-citizens such as visitors, students, or employment visas…

Obviously it doesn't affect citizens.

The problem is it affects legal, permanent residents. And innocent people.

Trump is already busy throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by cpcat »

It's really hypocritical that you only start noticing this happening now. The same has happened under Obama. I have a friend who was denied going back to University of Chicago last year https://www.facebook.com/ridakoon/posts/10158098402210427?pn...

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by tensor »

daxorid wrote: post #79
intro-b wrote: post #2

How this is happening, the exact trajectory of how much worse these things are (and its potential to worsen) is somewhat terrifying, especially when you consider the cavalier disregard and easy ignorance that this policy represents. I know classmates and colleagues and friends who are discussing, in their groups and communities, how to best help people stranded, whether or not vacations and returns to see ill family…

Terrifying, how? This is what Trump promised, and the reason we voted for him. Half of us are quite happy to see campaign promises actually implemented. HN is acting as if this was capricious and unplanned. In fact, it's what half of us wanted.

Just because half of votes wanted it doesn't mean it's not terrifying. That this sort of ideal is taking hold is extremely unsettling.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by andrewflnr »

wallace_f wrote: post #73

I don't think it is by chance or coincidence that Trump's admin is targeting Iranians . What really is it with American government hating Iran and Iranians, when there are equal or even worse ethnocentric, human-rights-abusing, racially intolerant states in the Middle East?

Fewer that have a plausible shot at being nuclear powers.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by cpncrunch »

camus2 wrote: post #92
lazyant wrote: post #50

Proud to be Canadian, see our PM's latest tweets https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/825438460265762816

> Proud to be Canadian, I thought excessive chauvinism is what led to Trump at first place?

>I thought excessive chauvinism is what led to Trump at first place?

I have no idea how you equate him saying "Canadians will welcome you" with chauvanism. And if you're referring to Justin getting his shirt off, that isn't what chauvanism means. (He is actually the exact opposite of the definition of chauvanism).

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by Animats »

wallace_f wrote: post #73

I don't think it is by chance or coincidence that Trump's admin is targeting Iranians . What really is it with American government hating Iran and Iranians, when there are equal or even worse ethnocentric, human-rights-abusing, racially intolerant states in the Middle East?

Most Iranians in the US are the ones who can't stand the regime that runs Iran.
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