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Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development
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Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, such things are often outdated, but the availability of different memory chips does not change existing hardware. The MC really doesn't support it, there is no way to change anything about that... I believe there were other chips at the time that supported more than 8 GB (i7-9xxM perhaps), but these are a different die (Clarksdale quad cores, ie. high end mobile chips that are selected desktop chips).
The point is that the datasheet is now inaccurate. This happened before with 2Gbit DDR3 and Intel had to update the datasheet for the Mobile 4 Series chipsets.
The datasheet says that the IMC only supports 2 Gb chips, which remains accurate. Even a single 8 GB DDR3 module will not work with these laptops.
Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
Didn't knew this, thanks. I also like the fact that the (rear) battery is easily replacable. Also something more recent laptops do avoid due to "the thin contest"
Recent laptops don't just avoid replaceable batteries due to thickness or weight; they avoid them because they want to cram as many battery cells in as possible, and provide longer battery life. A modern laptop chassis contains 50-80% battery cells by volume; every bit of the volume not occupied by other components gets filled by battery.
So thickness and weight are the drivers for this: You can always build a laptop that has the same battery capacity with a detachable battery as you can with a non-detachable. It's just going to be thicker and heavier.
Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development
#104I've owned Thinkpads in the past and almost bought the T460 last month, then I discovered the Dell XPS / Precision line and fell in love. I picked up a manufacturer refurbished XPS 15 on eBay and wound up swapping in a Dell Precision E3-1505M motherboard I stumbled across. The line has Intel quad core CPUs, minimal bezel (my 15" is almost the same size as the 14" System 76 Galago Ultra Pro it's replacing), reasonably…
> Xeon E3-1505M machine Except they don't ship with ECC memory. > 32GB, DDR4-2133MHz SDRAM, 2 DIMMS, Non-ECC [0] So what's the point of having a Xeon? The Core i7 options offered for the laptop support all the same processor features [1], except ECC memory [2], which Dell isn't even shipping. [0] http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/precision-m5510-workstatio... [1] http://ark.intel.com/products/88970/Intel-Core-i7-6820…
I suppose the ability to install ECC memory on one's own is still a benefit. Still would be nice for Dell to ship with it, though, instead of requiring customers to buy it elsewhere.
Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
+1 on this. And for people planning to buy an XPS, just wait for a month. new models of XPS are being announced at CES. https://mspoweruser.com/dells-new-convertible-xps-13-leaks-a... The convertible, bezel-less XPS convertible = macbook pro + ipad pro
Actually convertible is a disadvantage for me. Why would I need this?
You don't need to use it, so I wouldn't count it as a disadvantage (only the things that come with it, like increased weight).
Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
The datasheets are often outdated. See http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20100923006778/en/Sams... for an example.
Yes, such things are often outdated, but the availability of different memory chips does not change existing hardware. The MC really doesn't support it, there is no way to change anything about that... I believe there were other chips at the time that supported more than 8 GB (i7-9xxM perhaps), but these are a different die (Clarksdale quad cores, ie. high end mobile chips that are selected desktop chips).
And if you read http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/core/core-... , it does not say anything about 4Gbit DDR3 either.
Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development
#107I am sure it is a great laptop, but it also looks like a X1 with larger bezels. Why would you want that instead of X1?
The X1 has soldered on memory. And non-user-serviceable batteries and hard drives. (My 1st gen X1 carbon used a very
non-standard hard drive.)
The T460 has hot-swapable batteries, real memory slots, and standard SATA disks. (but I wish is was a NVMe disk)
I picked a 460 over a 460s because it seems a lot more servicable in the future and I can easily replace worn out batteries.
Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development
#108After I made a few comments here on HN about the T460, I felt I should condense all the stuff into a short blog post. Feel free to add your experience or alternate developer machines, with pros and cons. What I missed at Dell and Apple is the possibility to configure your hardware a bit so that it better fits your needs. This was better for Dell when I purchased the Dell Latitude 7 years ago. I did not choose an MBP…
synclient PalmDetect=1
That should fix the palmdetection problem. If not, also do:
synclient PalmMinZ=0
Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
They have 'workhorse' 460p (less mobile but stronger CPUs IMO) and a more expensive 'ultra book' 460s, plus the X1 Carbon. For the Carbon there seems to be a recent version released (in the US): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13286150 (maybe they plan to substitude the 460s?)
460p is not cheaper, it's the 'pro' version with more powerful GPU.
Corrected this. I think they are more powerful but less mobile?
Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development
#110Lenovo are on my personal shitlist after superfish and abusing the windows platform binary table. When my current laptop dies (a thinkpad T440p that I'm reasonably happy with), I may have to suck up the performance hit and go to minifree for a machine I can actually trust.
Sounds like a non-problem if you are going to wipe out Windows and install Linux anyway?
And additionally a non-problem with the ThinkPad line, which is far less susceptible to this sort of tomfoolery.