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Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Post by joesmo »

fao_ wrote: post #28
Shanea93 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes! Lets silence the opinions of everyone we disagree with! Lets take away their places to talk so they have to skulk in the shadows! Lets pretend there's no merit to listening to the thoughts of millions of people! Why stop with removing their access to Reddit? Why not make it downright illegal to talk about it? Why don't we make it illegal to think about it, too? I'm exceptionally left-leaning and I don't agree wi…

See, the problem with all of this is that they get the 'left-wing' people to fight for them. These people have not lost anything but an outlet to abuse people, and spread their sexist, racist philosophies (If you disagree with this, try reading through Breitbart without being disgusted at the contents). Do not worry. These people still have their freedom of speech, they are free to spray paint swastikas in bathrooms…

I couldn't agree more. All the 'let's listen to the other side' comments are sickening. No one with a brain wants to listen to the other side spew their racist, sexist, hateful beliefs. I think people that suggest that are so stupid, they are part of the problem and are encouraging hate in the name of 'tolerance'. Some people and actions should never be tolerated. I hope the people that do tolerate such hate and stupidity realize that they are not only not part of the solution, they are part of the problem.

Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Post by d_e_solomon »

mordocai wrote: post #78
jjawssd wrote: post #46

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What's wrong with that? You aren't entitled to freedom of expression on any particular platform run by a private entity. Freedom of expression only applies to the government.

What if all the major places of discourse ban your speech? Isn't that basically the same as the government doing so? Sure, it doesn't violate the constitution but it still is a serious issue.

No. You're free to form your own major place of discourse.

Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

#103

Post by maxerickson »

jjawssd wrote: post #69
d_e_solomon wrote: post #66

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Yes, everyone leaves for Voat, Voat crashes, and then everyone goes back to Reddit. Most people go to Reddit for their cat memes, not to hate on people.

Correct. And those people which are easily offended should not stray outside of their cat meme subreddits. And all will be well.

It would be even more well if all the porcupines that are so proud of their prickly needles would grow into pretty badgers.

Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

#104

Post by vectorpush »

rkangel wrote: post #64
vectorpush wrote: post #29

Who cares? Reddit is a private company, they can set their own standards for moderation. For several years now I've seen this non-stop obsession with lambasting reddit as a shit-hole and a left-wing echo-chamber and a shit company run by amateurs and SJWs. Who cares? The overwhelming majority of redditors subsist on photos of animals and drawings of video game characters. Just leave if reddit isn't friendly to your p…

Reddit has traditionally been a place where free speech is prized above all else. That they might 'censor' the alt right is symbolic. What it is symbolic of is in question though, pick one of: 1) The alt right has become so hateful that regardless of your approach to free speech that allowing it to propagate is unacceptable 2) Societies view of free speech has changed in the face of things like the alt right. 3) The…

I could be wrong, but IMO, it most likely comes down to the fact that the admins happen to be human beings and these particular communities are just starting to grate on their nerves. Pages and pages of highly upvoted direct attacks rattled the CEO to the point where he thought it wasn't a completely insane idea to abuse his developer privileges to silently alter user content in an attempt to troll his critics. That is a pretty telling sign of frustration.

Whenever the admins make any changes, a certain sub-section of the site goes completely insane and spams the site with tons of threads about how the site is fucking terrible and how the admins are fucking idiots with the common thread among these rabblerousers being that they always happen to hate a particular group that is ruining the site and destroying the indomitable reddit free speech ethos.

Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

#105

Post by kiba »

basch wrote: post #88
kiba wrote: post #40

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If they can't voice their opinion in a respectful manner, I don't see why we have to listen to their garbage. Every site in the world, if they don't want to be a cesspool full of trolls and baiters, will have to moderate.

are mockery and satire respectful? what does that make Stewart, Colbert, Bee, Meyers, and Oliver? how about SRD and SRS? they are assholes too but they deserve their space to mock people they disagree with. should /r/atheism be banned for its disrespect towards religion? /r/atheism has the same fervent hate towards people of belief. you dont have to listen to those subreddits. dont subscribe to them. dont hang out in…

you dont have to listen to those subreddits. dont subscribe to them. dont hang out in /r/all if you cant handle seeing things you disagree with.

I don't hang out at r/all nor subscribe to subreddit I don't care about.

you just called other peoples views a cesspool of garbage, and youre advocating respect.

I am more concerned about a person's behavior more so than their opinion. I look down on baiting, trolling, harassment, etc.

Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Post by mordocai »

d_e_solomon wrote: post #102
mordocai wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if all the major places of discourse ban your speech? Isn't that basically the same as the government doing so? Sure, it doesn't violate the constitution but it still is a serious issue.

No. You're free to form your own major place of discourse.

> No. You're free to form your own major place of discourse.

No. For a place of discourse to become major requires a large amount of people to be actively involved. I can't just "form my own" because for it to be major other people have to get involved. If I were to form a new place of discourse due to being banned, it would most likely become an echo chamber of other people that have been banned not a major place of discourse.

Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

#107

Post by d_e_solomon »

mordocai wrote: post #106
d_e_solomon wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. You're free to form your own major place of discourse.

> No. You're free to form your own major place of discourse. No. For a place of discourse to become major requires a large amount of people to be actively involved. I can't just "form my own" because for it to be major other people have to get involved. If I were to form a new place of discourse due to being banned, it would most likely become an echo chamber of other people that have been banned not a major place of…

> If I were to form a new place of discourse due to being banned, it would most likely become an echo chamber of other people that have been banned not a major place of discourse.

What's wrong with that? If you hold bad opinions that most people dislike, you're not guaranteed an audience. If you have white nationalist opinions, the rest of us don't have to be held hostage to your views.

Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

#108

Post by mordocai »

d_e_solomon wrote: post #107
mordocai wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No. You're free to form your own major place of discourse. No. For a place of discourse to become major requires a large amount of people to be actively involved. I can't just "form my own" because for it to be major other people have to get involved. If I were to form a new place of discourse due to being banned, it would most likely become an echo chamber of other people that have been banned not a major place of…

> If I were to form a new place of discourse due to being banned, it would most likely become an echo chamber of other people that have been banned not a major place of discourse. What's wrong with that? If you hold bad opinions that most people dislike, you're not guaranteed an audience. If you have white nationalist opinions, the rest of us don't have to be held hostage to your views.

How is it holding anyone hostage? How does someone posting opinions on reddit, twitter, or whatever harm you in any way?

Unless they are harassing you about it (in which case first step is to block them), I don't see how this is a problem.

Does being aware of other's opinions and/or reading about them hurt you somehow?

Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

#109

Post by 67726e »

fao_ wrote: post #25
67726e wrote: post #2

Everyone I don't like is Hitler!

You know? The only people I see spouting antisemitic comments turn out to be from the alt-right, or more correctly, fascist movement. If your movement is based upon, and shares many, many ideals with (Or contains people with) both fascist philosophies, and movements such as the neo-nazis, the KKK, etc. then it is correct to put you under that banner, no? The problem is, these philosophies are adopted because they are…

I could easily claim the same about the left after their golden child lost.

Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

#110

Post by sctb »

joesmo wrote: post #101
fao_ wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See, the problem with all of this is that they get the 'left-wing' people to fight for them. These people have not lost anything but an outlet to abuse people, and spread their sexist, racist philosophies (If you disagree with this, try reading through Breitbart without being disgusted at the contents). Do not worry. These people still have their freedom of speech, they are free to spray paint swastikas in bathrooms…

I couldn't agree more. All the 'let's listen to the other side' comments are sickening. No one with a brain wants to listen to the other side spew their racist, sexist, hateful beliefs. I think people that suggest that are so stupid, they are part of the problem and are encouraging hate in the name of 'tolerance'. Some people and actions should never be tolerated. I hope the people that do tolerate such hate and stup…

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