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> Wait, isn't that what traffic police are for? They just punish after the fact. I'm still able to make a poor driving choice that results in the injury or death of a bunch of people.
They also incentivize you to get your shit together before terrible things happen. After all, that's 50% of what punishments are for.
Baidu’s self-driving cars begin public test in Wuzhen, China
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What jobs are you talking about? That's the question. Those jobs you claim have come instead, where are they? The computer revolution is decades old now. So you were not old enough to be part of that discussion. But what jobs am I talking about? Back then, the counter argument was computers will create jobs for those who have to design them and those who have to maintain them. That was the best they could muster. Ver…
I am 42 so I've been around and you aren't answering the question which is telling. There are 18 million developers world wide, a little more than 3million in the US. Between 1998-2004 the us lost 4 million jobs to china, in the same period china lost 15 million jobs to the robots. Outsourcing is just the step before automation. I am not panicking as I am one of those who benefit mostly from this, I am just painfully…
When I was at university google had 8 employees :) ... who would have imagined then jobs like SEO/SEM Consultant, blogger, online life-coach, android indie game designer, stay-at-home person selling junk on ebay, etc, etc.
For self driving cars... how about:
- Guide (jump into the self-driving van, and I (human) will give you a personal and engaging tour of the region, parks, people, wines .... we'll do a few stops at designated restaurants and souvenir stores (where I'll get a few dollars per visitor).
- Self-driven drug / alcohol / party stuff / shopping / pet / kids / delivery
- Artist (drawing random patterns on the dusty planes with programmed cars?)
- Game host (where you offer 50 cars to some players who do some kind of AR laser tag activity while driven ... all the while trying to figure out the patterns they are driving in to win)
- Real-life marketing consultant (sell pay-per-detour, is paying for the detour worth it? Only if they used keyword X last, week and you have the right store front design, blah, blah, blah).
- Scheduling Assistant (Human helper to call your rides)
- Mobile Mechanic (fast response team to fix those helpless cars stopped on the road because a leaf covered the LIDAR)
Will the number of jobs add up? It's anybody's guess. I think the transition is going to hurt badly. But it will reach a new equilibrium eventually.
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I'd love it if all cars in China were self-driving. The road situation causes me stress whether I'm a pedestrian, cyclist or a car passenger (I don't drive here in Beijing). A few weeks ago, it took me over 3 hours to cover 16km in Beijing. It would have been faster to walk. The visible causes were: - Drivers in Beijing drive slowly when there's heavy rain - The sheer number of cars - Drivers in Beijing advance into…
- Drivers in Beijing advance into traffic-light controlled intersections even when the path ahead of them is blocked, causing a junction to get blocked up, even when all lanes leading away from it This is the literal "gridlock" problem, which can lock up a road system. The US had that problem in some cities until New York City introduced "Don't Block the Box" around 1980. It took a PR campaign, and, some ticketing, a…
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#104How come no one has figured out that these self driving cars can be tested with light soft and fuzzy tops which only look like real cars, so if they crash into something, even at high speed, they wouldn't hurt anyone and couldn't be sued for a lot? They could then skip to testing much more daring maneuvers on higher speed than they would otherwise.
Unless I'm missing something the car needs to have an engine, that's heavy enough to kill people, even at moderate speeds, no?
I guess the reason they haven't done it is that humans are required to be inside the car for now.
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People used to have jobs walking behind horses in fields, while the horses pulled ploughs and so forth. Pretty stultifying, dawn to dusk staring at horse's ass. A generation from now, manual driving will be viewed as maddeningly dull makework for human drones. Hours of staring at roads with instant death the punishment for dozing off? Wouldn't do it if you paid me. I'd have said, hopefully the world gets basic income…
> hopefully the world gets basic income and then a full leisure society sorted out Your job is gone? Here just have money. Dignity? Oh no see you don't need that. Just have money. What will you do all day in a world where people derive a lot of purpose from jobs and your basic income isn't enough to just do what you want? ummm... we could legalize pot.
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
People used to have jobs walking behind horses in fields, while the horses pulled ploughs and so forth. Pretty stultifying, dawn to dusk staring at horse's ass. A generation from now, manual driving will be viewed as maddeningly dull makework for human drones. Hours of staring at roads with instant death the punishment for dozing off? Wouldn't do it if you paid me. I'd have said, hopefully the world gets basic income…
> hopefully the world gets basic income and then a full leisure society sorted out Your job is gone? Here just have money. Dignity? Oh no see you don't need that. Just have money. What will you do all day in a world where people derive a lot of purpose from jobs and your basic income isn't enough to just do what you want? ummm... we could legalize pot.
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
People used to have jobs walking behind horses in fields, while the horses pulled ploughs and so forth. Pretty stultifying, dawn to dusk staring at horse's ass. A generation from now, manual driving will be viewed as maddeningly dull makework for human drones. Hours of staring at roads with instant death the punishment for dozing off? Wouldn't do it if you paid me. I'd have said, hopefully the world gets basic income…
> hopefully the world gets basic income and then a full leisure society sorted out Your job is gone? Here just have money. Dignity? Oh no see you don't need that. Just have money. What will you do all day in a world where people derive a lot of purpose from jobs and your basic income isn't enough to just do what you want? ummm... we could legalize pot.
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#108In Asia, to say it gently, people follow less rules... Baidu is going to have a hard time, as people take advantage when you are driving carefully.
For those who are curious, two guys just did a motorcycle race through rush hour traffic in China [1]. It gives a good idea what the road conditions are like.
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
- Drivers in Beijing advance into traffic-light controlled intersections even when the path ahead of them is blocked, causing a junction to get blocked up, even when all lanes leading away from it This is the literal "gridlock" problem, which can lock up a road system. The US had that problem in some cities until New York City introduced "Don't Block the Box" around 1980. It took a PR campaign, and, some ticketing, a…
interesting. I wonder how automated traffic cameras/redlight ticket systems would impact that? I suspect most people "squeeze" into the intersection to avoid the next cycle, because they dont see a traffic cop around. if all intersections are photo enforced, you'd think that problem would go away (or at least, citations would go up enough to fund some better traffic control/flow solutions)
"In this business there are very few problems that can't be solved with some yellow paint and a little bit of common sense." - Henry Barnes, NYC traffic commissioner.
[1] https://twitter.com/moi_qataren/status/643829644253261824
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#110There is so much talk in the current rhetoric about the US losing its dominance in science and technology. But it is a tad myopic to not be excited about a country of a billion people pushing the boundaries of what is possible. It is not a zero sum game and we will all benefit.