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Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by 69mlgsniperdad » Tue, Nov 08, 2016, 8:29 AM UTC

monfrere wrote: post #84

dariusm5 wrote: post #16

I lost all trust in the NYT after Wikileaks revealed how they sabotaged Bernie Sanders and acted as a PR agency for the Clinton campaign. http://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-new-york-times-propped... https://medium.com/@Starkweather/new-york-times-edited-berni... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bernie-sand...

I read the leaked emails referred to in these articles, and I don't see much that is troubling about NYT's behavior. This is just how journalism works: the reporter has to request/negotiate access to the source. The PR folks will obviously try to spin everything positively to the reporter; that's their job. Afterward, the reporter writes up a story as objectively as possible. When some part of the story happens to be…

You would think people on hn would have internet access. Is there some sort of print & mail forwarding system I am unaware of? I haven't heard of any wikileaks censorship at least not in the US. Are there people on hn who have internet access, but are still in denial? Half of these comments sound so bizarre. Trolling?

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by lern_too_spel » Tue, Nov 08, 2016, 8:34 AM UTC

gaur wrote: post #98

CamperBob2 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, that and acting as a PR agency for the Iraq war. Edit: Google "Judith Miller," then downvote.

Why is this comment greyed out? The NYT shilled hard for the Iraq war. They even issued an apology because of it (too little too late, of course).

The Iraq War part is fine. Here's the NYT's post-mortem on that. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2004/05/26/world/from-the-editors-...

It's the "that and" part that is not. There is no evidence that the NYT colluded with the Clinton campaign against Sanders. There isn't even a Challabi-like informant in the Sanders camp trying to make that claim.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by thght » Tue, Nov 08, 2016, 8:40 AM UTC

fuqted wrote: post #89

dariusm5 wrote: post #16

I lost all trust in the NYT after Wikileaks revealed how they sabotaged Bernie Sanders and acted as a PR agency for the Clinton campaign. http://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-new-york-times-propped... https://medium.com/@Starkweather/new-york-times-edited-berni... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bernie-sand...

From the headlines: >Inside Donald Trump's Last Stand: An Anxious Nominee Seeks Assurance >Optimism From Hillary Clinton and Darkness From Donald trump at Campaign's End >Donald Trump's Big Bet on Less Educated Whites

Indeed, that's how they do that, in the hope the horde will follow their made up winner. Unfortunately most media in this world are more corrupt than people are willing to believe.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by lern_too_spel » Tue, Nov 08, 2016, 8:42 AM UTC

Salamat wrote: post #10

msane wrote: post #5

Great move by NYT. Smart and generous.

How is that generous when it is very convenient and opportunistic for NYTimes propaganda efforts for their candidate?

What good are "propaganda efforts" on the day of the election? If that were the reason, they would have opened access without an account for a month leading up to the election.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by throwaway_nyt » Tue, Nov 08, 2016, 8:58 AM UTC

monfrere wrote: post #84

dariusm5 wrote: post #16

I lost all trust in the NYT after Wikileaks revealed how they sabotaged Bernie Sanders and acted as a PR agency for the Clinton campaign. http://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-new-york-times-propped... https://medium.com/@Starkweather/new-york-times-edited-berni... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bernie-sand...

I read the leaked emails referred to in these articles, and I don't see much that is troubling about NYT's behavior. This is just how journalism works: the reporter has to request/negotiate access to the source. The PR folks will obviously try to spin everything positively to the reporter; that's their job. Afterward, the reporter writes up a story as objectively as possible. When some part of the story happens to be…

You have very conveniently sweept it under normal PR behavior. And even used NYtimes link to debunk it all. Lovely. Nytimes pandered Iraq war hard to US masses, never believing in any political position they push.

https://theintercept.com/2016/10/09/exclusive-new-email-leak...

Nytimes sending out first draft to John Podesta:- https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/844

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4213#efmDVTDWd Mark Leibovich giving veto power on a clinton piece.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/7524#efmA9fBAI

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/9416#efmATHAXN

I have left out all the normal questions which journalists ask.

Donna Brazile leaking CNN questions:- https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/57027

DNC directing questions to Wolf Blitzer to ask to Donald/Cruz/Fiorina:- https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/25846 https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/25284 https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/23570 https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/23554

NBC news first draft:- https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/26390

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/42191 (Don't know what he/she is talking about here)

Newsweek story:- https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/41392

DNC Chairman having meeting with MSNBC predisent:- https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/8867

Sharing story before sharing with editor:- https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/10808

Jake Tapper questions:- https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/4077

Journalists have been giving the campaign full stories before being published, will Clinton team not push back on any negative aspects?

There are 2 3 other emails; one from a batch released a month ago and one around last week. Form your own opinions if they are journalists asking for a genuine access, or...

Sorry for bad formatting...

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by rajadigopula » Tue, Nov 08, 2016, 9:23 AM UTC

Same with financial times - ft.com Open access for election

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by oblio » Tue, Nov 08, 2016, 9:24 AM UTC

blfr wrote: post #76

grandalf wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a part of the liberal part of the government It's not actually liberal. In reality it's quite conservative... moneyed, powerful interests shaping the messages that they want the public to consume. The idea that HRC is politically leftist is a bizarre bit of wizardry that is completely false and helps people who would vote for a leftward leaning candidate believe that she is on their side. It's arguable whether HRC…

You're just calling whatever you dislike "conservative." Left/right, conservative/liberal are all relative, there are no absolute points of reference. In modern US, GOP represent the conservatives and Democrats are liberals. Thanks to neoconservatives, some younger people got used to the fact that right wingers are warmongers building global empires* but these are not intrinsically right or conservative views. Plenty…

> They wanted a never-ending revolution that spread to the entire world, or at least the English Channel since they were better at manufacturing tanks than ships.

The Soviet Navy was one of the biggest navies in the world. I don't have the exact numbers, but I'm pretty sure it was #2 in the world, only behind the US Navy.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by _fizz_buzz_ » Tue, Nov 08, 2016, 9:31 AM UTC

throwaway_nyt wrote: post #105

monfrere wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read the leaked emails referred to in these articles, and I don't see much that is troubling about NYT's behavior. This is just how journalism works: the reporter has to request/negotiate access to the source. The PR folks will obviously try to spin everything positively to the reporter; that's their job. Afterward, the reporter writes up a story as objectively as possible. When some part of the story happens to be…

You have very conveniently sweept it under normal PR behavior. And even used NYtimes link to debunk it all. Lovely. Nytimes pandered Iraq war hard to US masses, never believing in any political position they push. https://theintercept.com/2016/10/09/exclusive-new-email-leak... Nytimes sending out first draft to John Podesta:- https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/844 https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emaili…

> Nytimes sending out first draft to John Podesta:- https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/844

Stopped reading there. This is why we need journalism. People like you are unable to interpret the content of these emails. He is subscribed to the NYtimes First Draft blog [1]. Everyone with an NYTimes subscription can get the newsletter. As you can also tell by the sender nytdirect@nytimes.com [2]This isn't an actual first draft. Stop spreading misinformation and take your bs back to reddit.

[1] http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/08/21/today...

[2] http://www.nytimes.com/ref/membercenter/faq/aboutsiteqa17.ht...

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by briandear » Tue, Nov 08, 2016, 9:45 AM UTC

monfrere wrote: post #84

dariusm5 wrote: post #16

I lost all trust in the NYT after Wikileaks revealed how they sabotaged Bernie Sanders and acted as a PR agency for the Clinton campaign. http://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-new-york-times-propped... https://medium.com/@Starkweather/new-york-times-edited-berni... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bernie-sand...

I read the leaked emails referred to in these articles, and I don't see much that is troubling about NYT's behavior. This is just how journalism works: the reporter has to request/negotiate access to the source. The PR folks will obviously try to spin everything positively to the reporter; that's their job. Afterward, the reporter writes up a story as objectively as possible. When some part of the story happens to be…

However there are documented instances, with Politico for instance where stories were given prior approval by the Clinton campaign before publishing. There's lots of evidence that reporters colluded with the Clinton campaign. That's not 'negotiating access.' Reporters ethically are bound to not give sources the ability to approve stories. Otherwise those stories might as well be press releases.

I went to journalism school and giving sources prior-review over a story is about as unethical as it gets.

Getting access to a source doesn't mean softballing everything for the benefit of the source. With the email scandal for instance, those stories could be written with or without cooperation from Clinton -- you simply say: we're running this story, care to respond? If they are 'mad' at you, they are the ones that miss out on getting their side represented. Reporters ought not be 'negotiating' anything. We have a story, we're going to run it; if you want to respond, here's your chance, if you don't want to respond, we can report that as well.

Journalists in many organizations have sold themselves out. It's no surprise that most of them are Clinton supporters. The days of Walter Cronkite objectivity have seemingly passed.

The media colluded against Sanders not even to mention all of the Republican candidates.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by clydethefrog » Tue, Nov 08, 2016, 9:49 AM UTC

schuke wrote: post #52

javiramos wrote: post #19

I feel that NYTimes is the only news organization that has been able to transition to the Digital Era. Does anyone else know of any other old-school news organization that nicely transitioned to the Digital Era?

The Economist is doing pretty well. I've been a subscriber for more than ten years. Now I still get my copy delivered on Friday, but for a little less money (no more print copy), to my iPhone and iPad, with audio for every article.

Their Espresso app, a daily update of world developments, is also a great concept. For me it's a better way to get the news, than to have a constantly changing news feed app.