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Re: Surface Book – It’s Easy to Switch from Mac to Surface

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Post by tomtang0514 »

bhauer wrote: post #90
tomtang0514 wrote: post #9

The image on the top of the page seems to feature a 2nd gen macbook pro (the one before retina display). Hmm, a bit shady...

I think that is intended to represent your "current" laptop that you need to replace. The premise being you have an older one and want to consider some options other than the 2016 MacBook Pro. Lower down the page they show something newer.

That's what I think is shady. The image gives you a feeling the surface is way thinner than macbook pro. But down below they mentioned the new macbook pro (with touch bar) in the chart. If people are not paying attention they can get mislead to think surface is way thinner than the new macbook pro right?

Re: Surface Book – It’s Easy to Switch from Mac to Surface

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Post by brazzledazzle »

icinnamon wrote: post #16

I like that Microsoft is making an effort to capture the audience that wasn't impressed by Apple's MBP launch, but I can't get over their comparison chart. They compare the main screen of the Surface to the lower screen (touch bar) of the MBP. That's just a shady comparison. At least be honest.

"Lower Screen" in "Lower screen resolution" refers to the main display's lower resolution vs the Surface's "Higher screen resolution" noted in the left column.

Re: Surface Book – It’s Easy to Switch from Mac to Surface

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Post by WayneBro »

ryanSrich wrote: post #93
Someone1234 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Adobe Creative Suite is available on Windows. I don't see that being a major impediment. And developers keep insisting that all we use is Vim and a terminal, which you can do just as well with Linux Services for Windows.

And if you've ever used CC on Windows the usability difference is night and day. CC aside, the designer community is moving towards independent applications. All of which initially launch on macOS, and in the case of Sketch (a product I use all day every day) they stay on macOS. Developing on windows is a nightmare too. I remember the days in college when I couldn't afford a mac and wanted to do some rails dev on my…

Did you hear the part about the Windows subsystem for Linux? Microsoft heard you. So now you get a really solid desktop experience plus your UNIX command line.

Re: Surface Book – It’s Easy to Switch from Mac to Surface

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Post by blakesterz »

hartator wrote: post #56

I think it's interesting they don't mention Linux subsystem for Windows 10. As a developer, MacOS CLI was the biggest advantage over Windows. Now, you have the full Ubuntu CLI at your fingertip including apt-get install. No VM. It's a big selling point.

Is there a good terminal application with TABS for Win 10?

Re: Surface Book – It’s Easy to Switch from Mac to Surface

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Post by brazzledazzle »

csixty4 wrote: post #3

The page is kinda light on details. From my experience doing web development, msys2 + PuTTY/Pagent give me pretty much everything I need. I don't even use bash; everything I need is available from cmd.exe, including tools like ls & grep. Microsoft isn't going to say so, but you can get an Office365 gift card for like $20 on eBay. That gives you the Office apps plus a good chunk of storage on OneDrive and some Skype c…

I find PuTTY so aggravating to use. I've only used Cygwin but I assume msys2 has an ssh client. Do you use PuTTY over that since it's the workflow you're used to or do you find it to be a better experience?

Re: Surface Book – It’s Easy to Switch from Mac to Surface

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Post by brazzledazzle »

dublinben wrote: post #6
csixty4 wrote: post #3

The page is kinda light on details. From my experience doing web development, msys2 + PuTTY/Pagent give me pretty much everything I need. I don't even use bash; everything I need is available from cmd.exe, including tools like ls & grep. Microsoft isn't going to say so, but you can get an Office365 gift card for like $20 on eBay. That gives you the Office apps plus a good chunk of storage on OneDrive and some Skype c…

>I guess it helps that so much of my life is in the cloud these days anyway This seems like an excellent reason to not be using Windows as your underlying OS. The rampant privacy and security issues should be enough to keep any business from trusting it. The lack of a compelling reason to choose it should be the end of the story.

Microsoft's business versions of Windows have substantially different configuration settings and license agreements.

Re: Surface Book – It’s Easy to Switch from Mac to Surface

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Post by brazzledazzle »

vaishaksuresh wrote: post #63
izacus wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, you kinda pegged your fate and future to Apple by choosing to worked into their locked ecosystem right? It's not like it was an accidental choice, you knew that you'll have to buy whatever Apple serves you in whatever form they want as long as you want to service that platform.

Last I build a windows phone app, which was ~3 years ago, I needed windows running on my Mac. With a mac I can build for iOS, Android and WinPhone. With a Windows box, I cannot build iOS apps. I don't know what is more locked.

That's an interesting way to look at it. Since Microsoft let's you install Windows on whatever hardware you want clearly macos is more locked down but due to Apple's lock down you get more flexibility by using a Mac.

Re: Surface Book – It’s Easy to Switch from Mac to Surface

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Post by brazzledazzle »

ryanSrich wrote: post #93
Someone1234 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Adobe Creative Suite is available on Windows. I don't see that being a major impediment. And developers keep insisting that all we use is Vim and a terminal, which you can do just as well with Linux Services for Windows.

And if you've ever used CC on Windows the usability difference is night and day. CC aside, the designer community is moving towards independent applications. All of which initially launch on macOS, and in the case of Sketch (a product I use all day every day) they stay on macOS. Developing on windows is a nightmare too. I remember the days in college when I couldn't afford a mac and wanted to do some rails dev on my…

That last time I used Photoshop (a couple of versions ago perhaps) it was exactly the same on each platform and Adobe even used their own GUI widgets so the look and feel was consistent as well. Screenshots of CC 2016 that I can find lead me to believe that's still the case. What was the difference you found in terms of usability?

Re: Surface Book – It’s Easy to Switch from Mac to Surface

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Post by mgkimsal »

vaishaksuresh wrote: post #68
mgkimsal wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this was the opposite of 20 years ago - sure, you can do loads on macs, except build visual basic apps for the windows ecosystem. shoe's on the other foot now. if MS had done a better job in mobile, there'd be more reason to target windows for regular joe consumers, but they lost that market (for now anyway?). :(

> except build visual basic apps for the windows ecosystem Parallels/BootCamp?

> this was the opposite of 20 years ago

perhaps I should have put that other part in quotes. that was the refrain from mac-bashers at the time (well, one of them). Everything revolved around windows ecosystem, it had the developer mindshare and market strength, etc.

It's not the same story today.

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