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Re: Asus to surpass Apple in notebook sales: TrendForce

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Post by snowwrestler »

hellofunk wrote: post #56

I think part of the recent sentiment towards Apple is due to the expectations game. If it had been a different company, like Asus, to introduce a very thin, very lightweight computer with excellent graphics and a touch strip, I think a lot of people would be thinking, "wow! Asus is really innovating! what a useful little machine!". But because it is Apple, the expectations go far beyond that of any other company, so…

Apple is simply willing to be wrong in the short term, to be right in the long term. And because their laptop cases are so hard to engineer, they have to think long-term when they design a new one. This is one reason that, while I like Apple's computers, I never buy rev 1 of a new design.

And this is hardly the first Apple release that has been met with complaints, even within the pro notebook category.

Re: Asus to surpass Apple in notebook sales: TrendForce

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Post by hellofunk »

hellofunk wrote: post #56

I think part of the recent sentiment towards Apple is due to the expectations game. If it had been a different company, like Asus, to introduce a very thin, very lightweight computer with excellent graphics and a touch strip, I think a lot of people would be thinking, "wow! Asus is really innovating! what a useful little machine!". But because it is Apple, the expectations go far beyond that of any other company, so…

And here is one reason to (perhaps partially) justify the premium price:

https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/01/2016-macbook-pro-ssd/

Re: Asus to surpass Apple in notebook sales: TrendForce

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Post by anexprogrammer »

rayiner wrote: post #97
anexprogrammer wrote: post #95

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A surprise. I always felt screens have been one of their best features, with great consistency and brightness so far. I'm looking to replace at the moment, and t460 t560 are shortlisted along with dell and HP. So now I'm clueless again. :p Don't like the 6 row chiclet keyboard, sound is garbage on recent machines I've had, don't seem as resilient, and not the same attention to detail. Crapware? Access Connections (Ad…

I don't think it's just me grousing: https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/59pqrh/lenovos_en... . As for crapware: my T450s came with a bunch of Lenovo-branded garbage, like a settings app, a power management app, and an update app. That leaves you with, e.g. two different ways to configure your power management settings, and three different ways to configure things like mouse settings (the Windows modern app, t…

Hah. :) I must have got models with OK screens, by sheer luck.

I forgot a few. I killed them too.

Except I kept update for TP drivers. Win Update has got them wrong in the past. 'apt-get upgrade' starts to look quite advanced! :D

Re: Asus to surpass Apple in notebook sales: TrendForce

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Post by amiga-workbench »

lmm wrote: post #84
pyrophane wrote: post #82

Well, ok. Reading the data here, Apple and Asus shipped about the same number of notebooks last year at 17m. This year, Asus is expected to hold the line at around 17m, while Apple shipments are predicted dropping to 13m. I would say two things about this: 1) Except for the MacBook, it has been a year without new Apple notebooks until last week's announcement. Most of the Mac product line has been pretty crusty all y…

I think it's a sign of commodification coming to notebooks, as happened years ago with desktops. People are no longer upgrading so frequently and no longer feel the need to go for a top-of-the-line model when they do. If sub-$300 notebooks are outselling $1000+ notebooks I'd say that's a very revealing development.

Its already happened, there is crud like the HP Stream on sale for a tiny amount of money and most of the market is stagnant with cancerous 1366x768 TN panels and truly mediocre hardware.

Re: Asus to surpass Apple in notebook sales: TrendForce

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Post by tw04 »

hellofunk wrote: post #65
Eridrus wrote: post #60

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It's not just the expectations, Apple's price tags demand innovation. If they're not doing anything special you can get much cheaper hardware.

I'm curious if, beyond innovative features, the actual build quality and battery life of a machine should command higher prices. I had a couple Windows laptops (one by Dell) with quite poor battery life. My MacBook Pro from 2011 goes all day with serious activity without a charge, sometimes 2 days. I don't discredit the disappointment in the recent Apple laptop announcements, but I do think that paying a premium pric…

You're failing to mention 99% of those Dell laptops have REMOVABLE batteries which is why they're smaller. If the battery runs out you could have multiple charged ones in your bag, which is what we all did when we knew we'd be stuck in a datacenter for a full day.

If your battery runs out on the macbook, you're just done.

Re: Asus to surpass Apple in notebook sales: TrendForce

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Post by bgroins »

amiga-workbench wrote: post #104
lmm wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's a sign of commodification coming to notebooks, as happened years ago with desktops. People are no longer upgrading so frequently and no longer feel the need to go for a top-of-the-line model when they do. If sub-$300 notebooks are outselling $1000+ notebooks I'd say that's a very revealing development.

Its already happened, there is crud like the HP Stream on sale for a tiny amount of money and most of the market is stagnant with cancerous 1366x768 TN panels and truly mediocre hardware.

Or as average/low income non-elitists call it: my affordable computer that works just fine for what I do.

Re: Asus to surpass Apple in notebook sales: TrendForce

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Post by vbezhenar »

dagw wrote: post #55
vbezhenar wrote: post #49

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Why would you use preinstalled OS anyway? Every manufacturer installs ton of unneeded crapware. Just download pristine Windows iso and install it from scratch.

A clean windows install wouldn't make any difference. Lenovo installed their malware in the BIOS and set it to automatically make sure it was present, and reinstall itself if necessary, on every reboot.

Wow, that's really bad, didn't know about it. Can't even imagine how buggy their reinstall code would be.

Re: Asus to surpass Apple in notebook sales: TrendForce

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Post by amiga-workbench »

bgroins wrote: post #106
amiga-workbench wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its already happened, there is crud like the HP Stream on sale for a tiny amount of money and most of the market is stagnant with cancerous 1366x768 TN panels and truly mediocre hardware.

Or as average/low income non-elitists call it: my affordable computer that works just fine for what I do.

They would be better served by purchasing a 4-5 year old refurbed business grade computer like an Elitebook or a ThinkPad for ~120 pounds off ebay rather than buying a creaky consumer grade blob running on repurposed tablet hardware.

The industry's constant race to the bottom is getting really tiresome.

Re: Asus to surpass Apple in notebook sales: TrendForce

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Post by skriticos2 »

hugs wrote: post #62
skriticos2 wrote: post #17

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I just got a Dell XPS 13 (with Ubuntu pre-installed). It's a fairly well built machine and works without any major issues that I could find. I mostly bought it because of the infinity edge screen (very small bevel), which you won't find with most other vendors. So if you are looking for an ultra-portable it's a decent choice. (not affiliated with Dell in any way and this is my first machine I bought from them).

The one issue I've heard about in several reviews of the XPS 13 is "coil whine" -- a small electrical buzzing sound coming from under the keyboard. Has that been an issue for you?

I have never noticed it until today, sitting in a completely quiet room.. yes, it's there. But it's incredibly quiet.

ps: and only when using the touchpad.

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