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DMCA exemption for repairs, modifications, research on your vehicle takes effect

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Re: DMCA exemption for repairs, modifications, research on your vehicle takes effect

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elcct wrote: post #73
xg15 wrote: post #67

I haven't kept track, but last time I read about it, DMCA lobbyists managed to get a pretty absurd restriction into the exemption: Cars may only be repaired by their owners , so handing your car over to a repairman or to researchers would still be illegal. This means in practice the excemption would only change things for people who are both highly skilled in the relevant technology and are interested in fixing their…

Could you temporarily transfer the ownership to the garage? Absurd indeed

If the common law fundamentalists are to be believed regarding "title" versus "manufacturer's certificate of origin", you aren't even actually the owner of "your" car.

Re: DMCA exemption for repairs, modifications, research on your vehicle takes effect

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Post by eru »

mindslight wrote: post #101
elcct wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you temporarily transfer the ownership to the garage? Absurd indeed

If the common law fundamentalists are to be believed regarding "title" versus "manufacturer's certificate of origin", you aren't even actually the owner of "your" car.

What's the deal with that? Do the car companies try to say that you are only licensing the car (just like software companies only sell you a license, not actually software you can own)?

Re: DMCA exemption for repairs, modifications, research on your vehicle takes effect

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Post by mindslight »

eru wrote: post #102
mindslight wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the common law fundamentalists are to be believed regarding "title" versus "manufacturer's certificate of origin", you aren't even actually the owner of "your" car.

What's the deal with that? Do the car companies try to say that you are only licensing the car (just like software companies only sell you a license, not actually software you can own)?

The issue isn't with the manufacturers, but the state. I can't do it justice and the whole subject is a bit crackpotty, so you're going to have to read up on your own. For example - Rights vs Privileges by Michael Badnarik.

I say "common law fundamentalists" because there is a whole community of people who have ran with these ideas and believe that the key to restoring their rights is just asserting them harder. While it would be great if true, I don't subscribe to this view and think it's much healthier to view such legal reasoning as explanations of exactly how things decayed to the point we're at.

Re: DMCA exemption for repairs, modifications, research on your vehicle takes effect

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Post by eru »

mindslight wrote: post #103
eru wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the deal with that? Do the car companies try to say that you are only licensing the car (just like software companies only sell you a license, not actually software you can own)?

The issue isn't with the manufacturers, but the state. I can't do it justice and the whole subject is a bit crackpotty, so you're going to have to read up on your own. For example - Rights vs Privileges by Michael Badnarik. I say "common law fundamentalists" because there is a whole community of people who have ran with these ideas and believe that the key to restoring their rights is just asserting them harder. Whil…

Oh, are you referring to the freemen of the land and similar?
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