I'm no longer the target audience of Apple. I still own an iPhone, but their notebook line doesn't appeal to me at all. I'm still using my aluminum macbook from '08 and my next one will probably be a chromebook running Fedora.
MacBook Pro
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#102The touch bar examples shown are a usability disaster. You're going to hide UI from the screen and make me keep looking at the keyboard to find functionality? I stopped looking at the keyboard every 10 seconds when I learned how to touch type. The presenter spent most of his time looking at the keyboard and not the screen. This gimmick will disappear when Apple decides a touch screen is needed to complete the slow me…
Also, in general I can't stand keys without tactile feedback. I would hate losing the real function keys.
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#103HN is full of people who touch-type F9, I know. But I'm pretty excited about the toolbar. In anything but my primary editor, it will dramatically increase my ability to get by keyboard-only. For 99% of people, the increased discoverability will dramatically increase their ability to use shortcuts. And even the other 1% don't spend all their time within a set of applications small enough to memorize all shortcuts.
Poll: Do you touch type? (by mcobrien 1723 days ago)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3566079
▲ The Right Way
318 points
▲ Sloppily, without using home keys
210 points
▲ No
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#104The touch bar examples shown are a usability disaster. You're going to hide UI from the screen and make me keep looking at the keyboard to find functionality? I stopped looking at the keyboard every 10 seconds when I learned how to touch type. The presenter spent most of his time looking at the keyboard and not the screen. This gimmick will disappear when Apple decides a touch screen is needed to complete the slow me…
When Schiller showed how MS Office worked with the touch bar, I thought it was pretty hilarious.
All of the toolbar buttons and more were already on the main screen. If they had offered a touch screen instead, the user wouldn't have to take his/her eyes off the screen to perform the same functions. And that feature is already available on Windows machines with touch screens.
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#105(Posted in another thread, that probably will not make it as high as this) I think conceptually this is really neat, but it could potentially suffer from one major flaw: I hardly ever look down at my keyboard. A flat, digital screen containing changing buttons does not cater well to touch typists, of which you can reasonably assume most are who use a macbook pro. Touch ID is sweet though.
You are making the assumption that they care about sophisticated users, and I can't see any evidence that they have for quite a while.
Seems they catering to the emoji, Siri users. I want a Mac I can write on with a longer battery life. Surface Book is looking good right now.
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#106I think in a few years, we're going to be looking back at this as a half-assed hack before we were ready for a macbook with a full touch screen. Touch typists (which I'd imagine are an increasing proportion of computer users) don't look at the keyboard. Touch cues (ridges on the F and J keys, placement and size of keys) guide typing and control without the need to look. Even if you just used the touchbar to allow for…
Or maybe a full-sized touch 'interface' where the entire keyboard used to be. Imagine if the entire bottom half of the laptop was one of those touch-pads with some kind of haptic feedback. You could dynamically have mouse, keyboard, contextually customized input the entire mirror of the screen itself. Input below, output above. A curious concept. If this little touch panel merged with the trackpad (a better placement…
Was it Lenovo that demoed something like that just recently, or was it some other asian company?
Edit: Ah found it, the Lenovo Yoga Book.
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#107Ironically, I feel that the touch bar just makes it more glaringly obvious that the screen itself is not a touch screen. It invites you to expect that you can interact with your computer via touch. I'm sure there are going to be a lot of people who go right from tapping some icon on the touch bar to mistakenly tapping a close button on the actual display. Seems like a UX failure.
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#108I can't get over the ESC key. I need to experience it in order to make a final decision but even though it's "there" the position looks awkward.
On my laptop, I already use Karabiner to make Caps Lock function as Control if used as a modifier key, and ESC if just tapped. Much easier to reach, works for both Emacs and Vim keybindings, only issue is that sometimes you hit ESC by accident if you start doing a chord but then decide against it. I personally think this is a better solution than a soft key for escape, but it may not be to everyone's taste.
I think they broke Karabiner support in the new macOS
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#1094 USB-C ports. Kind of a bummer that I have to get a dongle to charge my iPhone SE with this thing.
They really screwed over iOS devs here. I have multiple cables as backups and in different bags etc - all need replacing now...except that I can't use the USB-C variant in the power brick :( I also do Android dev...need to get a USB-C to Micro-USB too just for that! Just one big mess.
I wonder if someone is going to sell a power brick that doubles as a docking station/hub?
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#110Could have sworn i have seen this come and bomb at least once already...