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UK Government proposes porn-viewing ID
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#102Something has to be done. It's not just about porn or violence of NSFL etc... but there is a serious problem on the internet, that is always lambasted with the "Won't somebody think of the children" memes. When society has reached a point that anybody with internet access can, simply by 'accidentally' going to the wrong website, be exposed to imagery that really is not going to help them be well-adjusted in life, wit…
I don't know if the Internet is the problem here. When I was a kid me and my friends accidentally found massive amounts of porn-mags in the small woods close to our school. Fun and exciting we thought, not really in a sexual way. doesn't matter.
Should we ban porn mags too? Or should we ban urban areas? Or regulate how you legally can dispose of porn-mags? I've also accidentally seen people being too drunk, and people having heart attacks. As a kid.. how should we protect people from seeing things? it's the wrong line of thinking.
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#103Not sure of the (technical) feasibility of this, but I have some social observations.
It seems the motivating factor, ostensibly, is to protect children. However, the primary concern of those who don't like this seems to be with leaks and possible ensuing shaming. So, if the stigma attached to watching (non illegal) porn is done away with, the fear of leak becomes irrelevant. If protecting children is paramount then society must do away with silly witch hunts and being so anal (no pun intended).
While we are at it, why restrict to porn and why not extend to all things abusive to kids, including violence, racism, stupid stunts and pranks etc referenced by many other posters? Seems porn gets targeted almost always! imagine if porn were a person in the west, they would have sued the heck out of everyone.
Re: UK Government proposes porn-viewing ID
#104Something has to be done. It's not just about porn or violence of NSFL etc... but there is a serious problem on the internet, that is always lambasted with the "Won't somebody think of the children" memes. When society has reached a point that anybody with internet access can, simply by 'accidentally' going to the wrong website, be exposed to imagery that really is not going to help them be well-adjusted in life, wit…
> Something has to be done. This is something. Therefore, this has to be done. Before internet porn became a thing, we were warned by various people about the harm that pornography does, and in particular, how it increases the incidence of rapes and sexual assaults, and is bad for the status of women in society. It was being proposed that it be banned outright. Now that pornography is widespread, and free, has there…
This says a lot about society, but possibly not in the way you think, or in the way that the discussion was aimed.
This is not a gender issue (there may be gender issues, but this is not one of them).
Re: UK Government proposes porn-viewing ID
#105Something has to be done. It's not just about porn or violence of NSFL etc... but there is a serious problem on the internet, that is always lambasted with the "Won't somebody think of the children" memes. When society has reached a point that anybody with internet access can, simply by 'accidentally' going to the wrong website, be exposed to imagery that really is not going to help them be well-adjusted in life, wit…
I don't know if the Internet is the problem here. When I was a kid me and my friends accidentally found massive amounts of porn-mags in the small woods close to our school. Fun and exciting we thought, not really in a sexual way. doesn't matter. Should we ban porn mags too? Or should we ban urban areas? Or regulate how you legally can dispose of porn-mags? I've also accidentally seen people being too drunk, and peopl…
It's not about banning anything. It's about restricting access to minors. It's never been legal in the UK for minors to buy porn mags or videos in a store.
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#106Re: UK Government proposes porn-viewing ID
#107Every time I think about the insanity going on here in the US, I just remind myself that the insanity in the UK is worse.
Really depends which insanity you're referring to.
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#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
1. Sure, the open Internet is not a child-safe network. 2. Changing the Internet to be child-safe would mean adding restrictions such that it changes into a non-open network. 3. People who like the Internet the way it is, don't want this to happen. This explains > some people feel very strongly that even questioning the situation is wrong -- they will cede no point that could support measures that would close up the…
Thank you. A good set of points. Except 7. Facebook is a different problem ;)
Glad you liked them! Despite being childless, the idea of family computing has been on my mind for a while...
Yeah, Facebook is a bad example of a family-safe network. But it has some probably-desirable aspects. A central authority that sets rules and enforces them, one place you can send complaints to. And it has aspects the net's openness too, anyone can make a page. But non-curated mass-broadcasted user content is too much openness for a truly all-ages network.
And I'm inclined to prefer a more decentralised system. One that lets groups of families, churches, schools, etc. to self-govern their networks.
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#109Not sure of the (technical) feasibility of this, but I have some social observations. It seems the motivating factor, ostensibly, is to protect children. However, the primary concern of those who don't like this seems to be with leaks and possible ensuing shaming. So, if the stigma attached to watching (non illegal) porn is done away with, the fear of leak becomes irrelevant. If protecting children is paramount then…
The telecoms already have that type of data that could be leaked to an extent. In 2013 British Telecom enabled porn filtering [1] that was on by default, so when setting up your account you'd have to opt out.
[1] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet-security/1052...
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#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
Where do you draw the line though? I understand the point you're trying to make, but don't you agree that I can counter your 'else .. anarchy' point with 'govern, like in Brave New World'? People that argue that the government doesn't need to track people's porn habits and decide at which age porn is acceptable aren't automatically against governing/governments. I understand what 18 years represent in the UK (and her…
Fair points. Would the age being 16 change that, as it's the age of consent. Would that then be seen that the age of consent should be removed ? Unfortunately, I believe it probably would help many parents as there are still a vast amount of people who are unaware of what the internet offers, even though their children already see it. You could suggest educating parents, but then many don't care. It's certainly been…
I think any law is bound to be wrong in too many cases: If you lower the bar to 16 I'll certainly find a 17 year old that isn't ~stable~ enough for some content and the problem persists: Parents, individuals, have to protect their kids based on intimate knowledge about the persons, on a case to case basis.
About the clueless parents: I don't feel that there's a pressing need either. First: Lots of parents of small kids (a growing number, the majority soon if not already) probably already grew up with the internet. There's a gap, I agree that a generation of parents that didn't use the internet as a kid exists.
But I reason that protecting your kid is first and foremost media agnostic. You talk about stuff you might see on tv, you don't just give them the remote and hope that your receiver blocks content and asks for a pin whenever something scary comes up - or you're lazy. The same applies for the internet: You talk to your kids, about the very same things. Violence, sexuality, consensus, morality. And try to make them feel safe so that they'll talk with you about anything disturbing they encounter.
Parents don't need to understand the internet (but it might help). The internet has nothing new to offer - porn isn't a new thing. You didn't need to understand how your kid got access to these filthy VHS tapes 30 years ago and still were responsible for your child.
I feel that technology cannot be used as an excuse here, a la "I don't understand this newfangled gadget, someone else tell my kids how to live this life".