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100 years ago, people paid money to see a fat man in a circus sideshow.

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Re: 100 years ago, people paid money to see a fat man in a circus sideshow.

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It is amazing what people are willing to pay for. (Don't focus on the circus stunt. Instead, pay attention to the business lesson :)

In this day and age of cheap video games, movies, and pornography... there is not much of a market for this anymore.

All those "500 lb mom", "the 1000 pound man" show on the discover channel (and similar), not to mention the Biggest Loser tell me otherwise.

Re: 100 years ago, people paid money to see a fat man in a circus sideshow.

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Isn't that for the best, though? If you want to communicate a moral message, you should target it so the people most in need of it will consume it as part of their daily routine, instead of having to go out of their way to find it.

Do as I say, not as I do? Is that still a popular way to communicate moral messages? Even coming from Disney in the first place the message came across as the old argument of a priest-of-past-sins being preferable to a priest-of-purity.

What, exactly, are you implying is the "as I do" part here?

Are you saying that the employees that make up Pixar are, on the whole, frequent and regular customers of the fast food industry?

I would expect that living in/near the bay area would give them good odds of being in a different demographic.

Re: 100 years ago, people paid money to see a fat man in a circus sideshow.

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You're at least partially confusing individual survivability with group survivability. Absolute cowardice, while beneficial to an individual, is ultimately so problematic for the group that it will result in everyone's death. Dumbly repeating procedures that are known to work without analysis will not only cause stagnation, but also likely cause industrial and environmental collapse unless a system is so tightly cont…

"Absolute cowardice, while beneficial to an individual" If this were actually true then evolution would go ahead and make everyone absolutely cowardly. Evolution works because traits that are helpful to an individual become more common; because the individuals with those traits reproduce more. Nothing stops evolution going down paths that are bad for the species. (Of course, if it gets so bad that the species goes ex…

You're conflating "beneficial to an individual" and "reproduce more." Reproducing and successfully raising young requires time and energy that an individual could use towards personal survival.

Evolution is a game of balance. On the face of it, a predator being faster and stronger so that it can catch more prey seems like an obvious benefit that would catch on. But the time, energy and resources to do that might draw from what's needed to reproduce and raise young.

Re: 100 years ago, people paid money to see a fat man in a circus sideshow.

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In that case evolution favours those too stupid to use a condom and too lazy to work.

See "Rich men do have more kids" ( http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/health/rich-men-do-have-... )

Fewer rich men than other types, though.

Re: 100 years ago, people paid money to see a fat man in a circus sideshow.

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People of Walmart. http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/?p=12413

I like Walmart, and I've noticed this phenomenon.... though much of my experience may just be noting geographic differences in obesity, as the Walmarts I visit tend to be in the less-urban areas of California, Nevada, or central Texas. I'd love to see guerrilla-installation of some sort of weight-strain gauge under the entrances/exits of major eatery chains, so as to collect and publish data on the average weight of…

I don't live near a Walmart, but this kind of physique is no stranger in NYC. Just yesterday at a supermarket I saw a pre-teen child about 4-ft high, who was bursting just like that.

Re: 100 years ago, people paid money to see a fat man in a circus sideshow.

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I always find it interesting that sci-fi depictions of "evolved" humans (i.e. many years in the future) usually depict very tall, thin - even willowy - figures. That seems to fly in the face of general trend :)

I think the general trend is a social one. I suspect that the naturally thin people are having more children on average than the obese people, so the evolutionary trend will be towards faster metabolisms.

Re: 100 years ago, people paid money to see a fat man in a circus sideshow.

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The US has become more health-conscious but also, in the last 50 years, has began to be exploited by manufacturers. Note, this person would be shocking still in Europe. Chemicals and corn by-products are stuffed everywhere in American products. Even in crazy places like maple syrup and ketchup. I went back to the States at Christmas and we went to an upscale grocery store, yet my wife couldn't find almost anything (y…

You're confusing a few separate issues: 1) Cheap, high-yield corn. Upside: cheap carbs. Downside: Probably unsustainable. Crops require crazy chemical fertizilers to support the increased yields. Because it's cheap, people want to use corn for all kinds of crap it's not really suitable for, such as feeding livestock despite it being outside of their normal diet, which has ballooning negative effects (antibiotics, ani…

I'd say 2 and 4 are derivatives of 1. 4, not so much because a lot of petroleum and coal derivatives are used in those chemicals too, but more sugar in stuff is almost always because it is HFCS.

Re: 100 years ago, people paid money to see a fat man in a circus sideshow.

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There's another article on obesity at the site that I like:

http://modeledbehavior.com/2010/04/16/hoisted-from-the-comme...

Particularly this line:

> In order to stay within one pound of your current weight > over a year, calories-in have to match calorie-out with > 99.7% accuracy. The calorie testing equipment that > determines what goes on food labels is not even that > accurate, so it seems implausible that people are > achieving this through conscious equation of calories-in > with calories-out.

Re: 100 years ago, people paid money to see a fat man in a circus sideshow.

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Except in Wall-e

Interestingly, WALL-E really nails the reality of western man's search for perfected convenience.

...the reality of western man's...

What do you mean "western"? What do you mean "man"?

Edit: Sometimes it seems that "too terse" comments are disliked or misunderstood. So let me explain: it seems that people in the USA, as others have already said in other comments, don't really realise that you're a special case in this matter. Of course there are fat people here in Europe, but not in the same proportion and magnitude. I don't think it's related just to habits. Something bad is in the food additives for sure.

The other question is just evil, so I'm guilty :-) While the more politically correct "person" is often more and more used to refer to both men and women, you (with a "mom" nick) used "men" to restrict, at the same time you were using "western" to expand.

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