Dear Dash Users – A message to all Dash users from the Kapeli Blog • Hacker News Board

Re: Dear Dash Users – A message to all Dash users from the Kapeli Blog

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Post by eridius » Tue, Oct 11, 2016, 9:38 PM UTC

TheCowboy wrote: post #99

eridius wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's nonsense. Even if Apple was trying to trick him (which they definitely were not), his blog post didn't have to admit any wrongdoing . Nothing he needed to say in there would have been admitting to fraud. It merely would have admitted that his account was linked to one with fraud (which nobody is disputing) and that he's working with Apple to unlink it and restore his account.

I thought his post fulfilled that criteria, which I do agree is reasonable for Apple to request, so I was under the impression that OP was arguing he didn't go far enough. If his post is not enough, then Apple should consider just sending him a statement including the correct wording for him to use.

He drafted a post and sent it to Apple for approval, but didn't get a response before Apple's PR statement was released and before he reacted by posting that phone call. It's plausible to me that the drafted blog post would have been sufficient, but him posting the phone call probably immediately torpedoed it.

Re: Dear Dash Users – A message to all Dash users from the Kapeli Blog

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Post by longsangstan » Tue, Oct 11, 2016, 10:28 PM UTC

pkamb wrote: post #85

matt4077 wrote: post #4

This guy has shown quite a talent for self-sabotage. Apple was willing to reinstate him if he'd undo some of the PR damage he'd created by spelling out that he shared the credit card with someone, and that maybe that's not the best idea. Instead, he was enjoying the spotlight so much, he used the opportunity to escalate further, even publishing his phone call with Apple (illegal on one side of that conversation at le…

He only published the new blog post and the phone call AFTER Apple put out a new press release completely sliming him. He was waiting for his draft blog post to be reviewed, and they go to the press behind his back.

Correct. The issue now is not about the accounts and frauds.

Btw, I believe there is a miscommunication between them as I don't think going to the press behind his back is in Apple's best interest.

Re: Dear Dash Users – A message to all Dash users from the Kapeli Blog

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Post by cynix » Tue, Oct 11, 2016, 11:17 PM UTC

matt4077 wrote: post #4

This guy has shown quite a talent for self-sabotage. Apple was willing to reinstate him if he'd undo some of the PR damage he'd created by spelling out that he shared the credit card with someone, and that maybe that's not the best idea. Instead, he was enjoying the spotlight so much, he used the opportunity to escalate further, even publishing his phone call with Apple (illegal on one side of that conversation at le…

And it doesn't even matter whether the other account really was created for a family/friend or not. It's absurd that he would think this absolves him of all responsibilities for that account. It's like lending your credit card to someone, then telling your bank you're not liable for any charges they made. No sane person would think that's reasonable.

Re: Dear Dash Users – A message to all Dash users from the Kapeli Blog

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Post by Crosseye_Jack » Wed, Oct 12, 2016, 12:14 AM UTC

pkamb wrote: post #90

Crosseye_Jack wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In addition to what joeberon said. After this happened Apple were prepared to welcome him back to the App Store after Apple had learnt of all the facts. Kapei had gone public about this account nuke (which at times is the only way to raise the issue, I remember the times I've had to deal with Googles Support for the play store shudder ) and while he didn't know all the details on why his account was nuked the issue h…

> Now in my opinion that is a fair request and if I were in his shoes I would of done just that because I can see how Apple could of tied the two accounts together. He did do that though. He wrote a [blog post draft][1] that mentioned the "linked account" and sent it in to them for review. Rather than respond to or approve his blog post draft email, Apple went behind his back to the press with statements that omitted…

And sadly we may never know why Apple did that. Apple's statement was released on Monday iirc and then Bogdan released his side to the story afterwards.

Was Apple's release written up before Bogdan's conversation with them on Friday/Saturday (And no one told Tom that the situation had changed) or did something else happen between then and Monday to change Phil's mind?

Re: Dear Dash Users – A message to all Dash users from the Kapeli Blog

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Post by aianus » Wed, Oct 12, 2016, 12:42 AM UTC

eridius wrote: post #79

Crosseye_Jack wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Others have said that it's Apple Blackmailing him "Post a blog post if you want your account back" and I can see their logic. I'm not saying Apple did blackmail him, just stating what others on this site have said do me. Personally listening to the call I would of made the blog post, not because I thought Apple were blackmailing me but because I can see Apple's Point of View in this matter and that it had stirred t…

> But it had been pointed out to me that the blog post being a condition of having the account reinstated (and Apple ideally wanting to look over a draft of that post first) could be taken as Apple blackmailing him and its hard to argue against that point. No it's not. Nothing about this even comes close to blackmail. Blackmail is demanding payment under threat of doing something bad. This is the complete opposite. T…

If a cop pulls you over and finds some drugs, it's not 'an opportunity' when they demand a bribe from you to make it go away. It's corruption/extortion.

Maybe it's in your best interest to pay the bribe, but it's more admirable to expose the crooked cops.

Re: Dear Dash Users – A message to all Dash users from the Kapeli Blog

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Post by nodamage » Wed, Oct 12, 2016, 4:13 AM UTC

gshulegaard wrote: post #38

bnycum wrote: post #17

There feels like no right side in this story. * Apple terminated both accounts because of fraudulent activity, but only one account was contacted to let them know of this activity. * Kapeli shared financial information and test devices with this other account, whether it was a relative or not. * Apple said "Hey, write a post telling the whole story and all will be cleared. Just don't say we were at fault." * Kapeli a…

Generally, I don't get this: * Kapeli shared financial information and test devices with this other account, whether it was a relative or not. The assumption here is that for some reason a credit card number and device identifiers (unclear where they come from...but maybe mac address?) are enough for Apple to "link" accounts. I contest this for the same reason I think someone knowing my birthday and social security n…

There are actually four different items linked between the two accounts:

1. Credit card used to pay the annual developer fee.

2. Test devices.

3. Bank account used to receive payments from Apple.

4. Bundle identifiers used to uniquely identify each app. (http://i.imgur.com/NljOzF4.jpg)

Even if (1) and (2) could be explained by the Dash developer helping someone else get started, (3) and (4) are more difficult to justify. Especially (4) because the bundle identifier is an arbitrary string and there's no real reason for different people to use the same one. But also (3) because it means the Dash developer was receiving payments for the apps being sold by the fraudulent account (i.e he was financially benefiting from the fraudulent activity).

Based on these factors I think it's entirely reasonable for Apple to conclude that both accounts were being controlled by the same person.

Re: Dear Dash Users – A message to all Dash users from the Kapeli Blog

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Post by Arnt » Wed, Oct 12, 2016, 6:20 AM UTC

st3v3r wrote: post #96

Arnt wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've bought a gift to someone almost every month for the past 40 years, and, eh, I'm responsible for that?

Not the same situation. You transferred ownership,and after giving the gift, your involvement was done.

Are you saying that Bogdan did anything other than pay for the account? (Which seems a mite expensive, but I've given relatives more expensive things every year as far back as I can remember, so I'm not going to call that implausible.)

Re: Dear Dash Users – A message to all Dash users from the Kapeli Blog

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Post by eridius » Wed, Oct 12, 2016, 6:49 AM UTC

aianus wrote: post #105

eridius wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But it had been pointed out to me that the blog post being a condition of having the account reinstated (and Apple ideally wanting to look over a draft of that post first) could be taken as Apple blackmailing him and its hard to argue against that point. No it's not. Nothing about this even comes close to blackmail. Blackmail is demanding payment under threat of doing something bad. This is the complete opposite. T…

If a cop pulls you over and finds some drugs, it's not 'an opportunity' when they demand a bribe from you to make it go away. It's corruption/extortion. Maybe it's in your best interest to pay the bribe, but it's more admirable to expose the crooked cops.

Are you trying to make an analogy? Because that's not even remotely representative of the situation.

Re: Dear Dash Users – A message to all Dash users from the Kapeli Blog

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Post by nicolas_t » Wed, Oct 12, 2016, 9:09 AM UTC

synecdoche wrote: post #81

I find it quite discouraging to see so many harsh sentiments towards the developer. Everything that he did and the publicly stated reasons behind them are plausible. In my view the data so far indicate that he played by the rules. In particular he did a charitable thing to pay somebody else’s Developer Program Membership and donate a device, which there is no rule against. Apple on its side have followed its script w…

I've done exactly that for my brother in law. I donated a device and paid for his program membership with my credit card, so I can completely understand why it might have happened. Now, I'm a bit worried about this issue with Apple linking accounts.

Re: Dear Dash Users – A message to all Dash users from the Kapeli Blog

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Post by LyndsySimon » Wed, Oct 12, 2016, 2:27 PM UTC

0xmohit wrote: post #91

eridius wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is reasonable. If you pay for something, you generally are at least slightly responsible for it. Just because you don't want to be responsible for it doesn't mean you aren't. For example, if I buy a car, hand the keys to a friend, and they go out and commit a crime with the car, I'm going to bet that I'm legally culpable in some fashion.

I buy a gun. Lend [0] it to friend. Friend goes on a killer spree. Can I claim zero responsibility? No. [0] The friend didn't steal the gun.

Legally, in most US states... it would be a stretch. The prosecutor would have to prove that the lender reasonably expected their friend to commit the crime.

FWIW, I've lent firearms to people on multiple occasions, sometimes for months or years at a stretch.