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Re: New lower Azure pricing

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Post by mark_l_watson »

dragontamer wrote: post #95
mark_l_watson wrote: post #91

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I will add my thanks for your nocix suggestion. I prefer to do my development on a beefy VPS, most often from OVH, but I think I will try switching to novix for a few months. (I don't like my laptop heating up or running out of capacity, and it is nicer to have a dev setup that I can hit from any laptop (or tablet)). For development, I don't need super high reliability.

Well, development seems more like a VPS job, since you aren't going to be utilizing the CPU too much. I think high-load web servers (which will be hitting the disk often) or video game servers (especially world-simulations like Minecraft or Factorio) that will benefit from dedicated servers the most. But give it a shot. I know that the higher-cost VPS are more expensive than those dedicated boxes. I'm also surprised…

I do have high CPU utilization tasks, like large Haskell builds, Tensoflow, etc. I agree that the cheap physical server costs are surprising, given facility and power costs.

Re: New lower Azure pricing

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Post by dpark »

elchief wrote: post #57
BonoboIO wrote: post #17

Cloud Pricing is ridiculous ... made the comparison between a dedicated server and cloud offerings of microsoft, google, amazon ... rackspace (SO EXPENSIVE) and you pay 5 times in the cloud for the same.

It makes sense if you need to spin up several servers really fast. Like, "I can't wait 2 weeks for my Supermicro reseller to ship and build them" fast. There is likely some optimal schedule where you start w cloud, order DIY replacements, and migrate, and repeat as you scale. Labour-intensive though.

Labor isn't cheap. If you spend more on labor to manage this shuffling than you save on cloud costs, it's decidedly suboptimal.

Re: New lower Azure pricing

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Post by Scirra_Tom »

bluedino wrote: post #82
Scirra_Tom wrote: post #43

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We're moving to AWS for our next release, managed by Rackspace. Had the same philosophy as you for years, and have saved a lot of money with DIY (maybe in the tens of thousands). Turns out server admin is not my skillset, and it's caused problems, headaches and risks in the past. I consider the additional cost going forwards in effect as our next hire and an important one. For small startups looking to save money DIY…

I can't imagine Rackspace managing anything being a positive

They seem great so far!

Re: New lower Azure pricing

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Post by Scirra_Tom »

jeffbarr wrote: post #87
Scirra_Tom wrote: post #43

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We're moving to AWS for our next release, managed by Rackspace. Had the same philosophy as you for years, and have saved a lot of money with DIY (maybe in the tens of thousands). Turns out server admin is not my skillset, and it's caused problems, headaches and risks in the past. I consider the additional cost going forwards in effect as our next hire and an important one. For small startups looking to save money DIY…

Welcome aboard!

Thanks!

Re: New lower Azure pricing

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Post by greggyb »

vlangber wrote: post #60
Mao_Zedang wrote: post #38

Things like this pricing difference between VM and App Service which run on the same dedicated hardware, not sure why its still 2x the price? http://i.imgur.com/KgNotp6.png

We had planned to develop a Saas solution based on Azure, but the App Service and sql pricing have forced us to drop it. We love Azure, and we would like to use it for all our web projects, but it is hard to justify it with the current pricing.

Talk to a Microsoft rep. There are several categories of Microsoft customers. One category is enterprises using Microsoft products internally. Another is software/SaaS companies using Microsoft products to develop or deliver a product. The prices you see are for that first group. The prices for the second group tend to be _heavily_ discounted.

Shoot me a message (email in profile) if you have questions. I do not get heavily involved in licensing discussions, but can try to answer more questions if you have them. If you want to build a SaaS on Azure, though, you are the customer Microsoft wants - take advantage of that.

Re: New lower Azure pricing

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Post by kuschku »

elchief wrote: post #57
BonoboIO wrote: post #17

Cloud Pricing is ridiculous ... made the comparison between a dedicated server and cloud offerings of microsoft, google, amazon ... rackspace (SO EXPENSIVE) and you pay 5 times in the cloud for the same.

It makes sense if you need to spin up several servers really fast. Like, "I can't wait 2 weeks for my Supermicro reseller to ship and build them" fast. There is likely some optimal schedule where you start w cloud, order DIY replacements, and migrate, and repeat as you scale. Labour-intensive though.

In that case, rent a dedicated server from Hetzner or OVH, it’s online in 120 seconds, and still 5 times cheaper than AWS.

Re: New lower Azure pricing

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Post by kuschku »

vgt wrote: post #33
Someone1234 wrote: post #20

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Reserved instance pricing on AWS absolutely destroys Azure. If you do on-demand on both, they look competitive, but there are ways of bringing AWS down which Azure simply cannot match.

Have you had a chance to look at Google's Preemptible VMs? They're a fixed 70-80% off of list price. Another point is, Google's VMs are generic CPU/RAM combinations. You don't need "network optimized VMs" or "storage optimized VMs" - you simply get those things on any VM. This makes the "excess instance supply" market much more fluid and simplifies folks' lives. Happy to discuss further! (work at GCP)

Why is GCP (just like AWS and Azure) still 5 times more expensive than comparable dedicated cloud services from competitors?

I can get this https://www.hetzner.de/us/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex40 in a few hours, with more performance than anything you offer for even 5 times the price. Same at most other dedicated hosters.

Do you even ever intend to be price competitive?

Re: New lower Azure pricing

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Post by kuschku »

dragontamer wrote: post #7
shiftpgdn wrote: post #5

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The A0 standard and the A0 basic prices did not change. Both of those instances will be dramatically outperformed by a Linode VPS or Digital Ocean droplet for 1/2 to 1/3rd the price.

Well, so are Amazon's lowest tier nodes. I think its fair to say that AWS and Azure aren't competing against cheap VPS like Linode or Digital Ocean. Frankly, I'm beginning to think that things are swinging back to dedicated. I'm seeing ~$30 to ~$50 / month deals on a lot of dedicated servers (years old Xeon boxes), which have the main advantage of dedicated I/O. (No "neighbors" eating up the SSD or HDD IOPS). https:/…

You might also want to add https://www.hetzner.de/us/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex40 to your list of cheap dedicated servers.

It’s seriously crazy how expensive AWS, Azure, and co are.

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