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Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

#101

Post by qwertyuiop924 »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #97
qwertyuiop924 wrote: post #66

Google still doesn't know what it's doing with YouTube. As a longtime consumer of YouTube videos, and somebody who is actually inside of the YouTube community, I understand that. The "Advertiser Friendly" policy was universally mocked for being absurd, and it is. Then there's the indication that it was behind the inexplicable monetization drops on major channels a few months back. The YouTube team has been seen to do…

The policy wasn't universally mocked. Maybe you're in some specific subcommunity, but browse around a little. The opinion I heard most was that the policy is understandable (there is such a thing as advertiser-unfriendly content) but people want more transparency from YouTube so they can work the system effectively.

That's true, but the point that many made (and is correct) is that many forms of content cannot be advertised upon under the new policy. In fact, depending upon how YouTube interprets the policy, they can probably block monetization on any video they want, and still claim to be merely enforcing the policy. Finally, it's quite unlikely that this policy will be implemented fairly. If you want evidence, merely know that one of the most viewed videos on YouTube is Nicky Minaj's "Anaconda," which is rife with policy violations, but is on a VEVO channel, and thus technically published by part of YouTube itself.

Do you think they'll be blocking monetization on that?

No, it's not evidence, but until serious enforcing happens, it's the best I can do, and I think it's a reasonable assumption to make.

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

#102

Post by digi_owl »

izacus wrote: post #99

So now there's YouTube app (which doens't allow me to listen to a talk offline on an airplane or background or pay for YouTube Red), YouTube Music app (which I'm not allowed to use at all), YouTube Gaming (which has an UI and UX build by a madman). Then there's AndroidTV version of YouTube app which has severe feature limitations and probably some others as well. I don't really like to be negative, but it doesn't see…

I suspect the problem is big media rather than Google.

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

#103

Post by LordDragonfang »

ksk wrote: post #47
dragonwriter wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But why would it need a rewrite? Because the UX focus is different, the assumed technical infrastructure context is different, and, well, basically everything except the backend service consumed is different. Youtube Go is more distinct in role from the core Youtube app than the other break out apps (which mostly are distinguished by content focus on UX tweaks around the focal content) like Youtube Kids, Youtube Mu…

I guess we have to agree to disagree. I don't think adding a button or two is some fundamental change that requires 10 meetings with 2 designers and 5 developers. They're already streaming the video data, just save it to a file in addition/option to rendering it. They can already play video data, just play it from the file instead of streaming it.

I get the impression you haven't tried to refactor a large code base to change core functionality before. Any system architecture is built with, inevitably, certain assumptions on how the data is going to come through the app and where it's going to come from. Something as low-level as the source of video files in an app that is no doubt optimized for that is undoubtedly a fundamental change, and one that is going to be easier to fork and rewrite than try to shoehorn into existing code.

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

#104

Post by izacus »

digi_owl wrote: post #102
izacus wrote: post #99

So now there's YouTube app (which doens't allow me to listen to a talk offline on an airplane or background or pay for YouTube Red), YouTube Music app (which I'm not allowed to use at all), YouTube Gaming (which has an UI and UX build by a madman). Then there's AndroidTV version of YouTube app which has severe feature limitations and probably some others as well. I don't really like to be negative, but it doesn't see…

I suspect the problem is big media rather than Google.

Somehow Apple and some other companies manage to handle that way better, including offline downloads for content and the ability to give them my EUR.

Google on the other hand refuses to even show us Podcasts category on Play music. Podcasts.

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

#105

Post by izacus »

ToastyMallows wrote: post #85
bonjurkes wrote: post #74

"While in Nagpur, I met a young man who loved using YouTube to watch WWE wrestling and wanted to show us his favorite video. But after he found it and tapped to play, the video just wouldn’t load" I believe this is really bad example, as WWE is a "premium content" so you have to pay extra to watch it. Therefore Youtube removes those videos (there is only 2 WWE videos which is from legal accounts). So it's pretty awkw…

This also struck me. I was surprised that they picked WWE of all things, you would think that video would be region locked and thus not available outside of the US, like a lot of things are.

I think that pretty much is just the reflection of the fact that Google never properly cared to bring their products outside of US. A lot of even their free services are region locked for no good reason (which is kind of opposed to Apple for example, who rarely region locks their services).

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

#106

Post by LordDragonfang »

andrewvijay wrote: post #81

Google's sudden push for India is kinda spooky.

They're realizing that India is a good microcosm for what the majority of users actually need outside the SV bubble.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/27/13071128/sundar-pichai-goo...

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

#107

Post by gue5t »

izacus wrote: post #99

So now there's YouTube app (which doens't allow me to listen to a talk offline on an airplane or background or pay for YouTube Red), YouTube Music app (which I'm not allowed to use at all), YouTube Gaming (which has an UI and UX build by a madman). Then there's AndroidTV version of YouTube app which has severe feature limitations and probably some others as well. I don't really like to be negative, but it doesn't see…

Try youtube-dl (before the international copyright police C&D it). I'm sure there's an app wrapper that can handle intents (NewPipe? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12591466), and then you can open the videos in the VLC app.

The owners of YouTube do not have it in their best interest to provide you with flexible, no-nonsense tools.

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

#108

Post by zardeh »

gtirloni wrote: post #7

I don't understand why a new app if this could just be an additional feature in the current app. Doesn't this lead to fragmentation and confusion?

Because this application cares a lot more about footprint size than normal Youtube.

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

#109

Post by sergiotapia »

gue5t wrote: post #107
izacus wrote: post #99

So now there's YouTube app (which doens't allow me to listen to a talk offline on an airplane or background or pay for YouTube Red), YouTube Music app (which I'm not allowed to use at all), YouTube Gaming (which has an UI and UX build by a madman). Then there's AndroidTV version of YouTube app which has severe feature limitations and probably some others as well. I don't really like to be negative, but it doesn't see…

Try youtube-dl (before the international copyright police C&D it). I'm sure there's an app wrapper that can handle intents (NewPipe? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12591466 ), and then you can open the videos in the VLC app. The owners of YouTube do not have it in their best interest to provide you with flexible, no-nonsense tools.

`youtube-dl` is a national treasure. No other tool (except maybe MPV) has made it's way into my day to day usage in years.

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

#110

Post by ljk »

gue5t wrote: post #107
izacus wrote: post #99

So now there's YouTube app (which doens't allow me to listen to a talk offline on an airplane or background or pay for YouTube Red), YouTube Music app (which I'm not allowed to use at all), YouTube Gaming (which has an UI and UX build by a madman). Then there's AndroidTV version of YouTube app which has severe feature limitations and probably some others as well. I don't really like to be negative, but it doesn't see…

Try youtube-dl (before the international copyright police C&D it). I'm sure there's an app wrapper that can handle intents (NewPipe? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12591466 ), and then you can open the videos in the VLC app. The owners of YouTube do not have it in their best interest to provide you with flexible, no-nonsense tools.

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