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The story BCG offered me $16,000 not to tell

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#101

Isn't the "billion dollars destroyed" argument he makes just the broken window fallacy in reverse?

If by, "broken window fallacy in reverse" you mean "pointing out that the broken window fallacy is a fallacy", yes. He is troubled by the fact that he is earning money by breaking windows.

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#102
post #10

He invokes Excel as an analytical engine several times in this story. I am trying to figure out if he actually considers it to be a powerful statistical engine, or if he is merely using it synecdochically for the benefit of non-technical readers, in order to represent statistical software more generally.

The 'Solver' ( http://www.solver.com/ ) tool in Excel is widely used for many business optimization problems. If you have x & y quantities of two raw materials and products A and B consume different proportions of each raw material, then you can use the solver to determine the most optimal production strategy that maximizes your profit (or minimizes your labor requirements etc.)

I've seen Solver used by a number of accountants to say 'I need my profit to be this number, what figures do I need to change to hit that?'. Solver is a life saver for those looking to cook the books (sadly far too many people).

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#103
“Find me a rock” problems sound dead simple, but in actuality have requirements that are poorly stated or unknown. You never know what you’re looking for; you only know that you’ll know it when you see it.

Even better perhaps: "you only know that someone else will know it when they see it".

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#104
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wonder how many children get sent to college by dads like that. Given the amazing human capacity to rationalize everything, I would guess -- a lot.

I would guess a lot, too- because human beings are by nature hypocrites.

Freud wrote that to be civilized you must also be a hypocrite

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#105

I'm so sorry for pointing this out, I loved the article, but was surprised that no one else raised issue with: "Like downloading MP3s, it was a victimless crime." After all these years we know better than to say this carelessly. Is stealing code from a hardworking programmer a victimless crime?

I interpreted this as meaning "it's obvious that it's wrong but since it's hard to directly connect with the victim the threshold for doing it is very low". I agree that it did come across a bit ambiguous as to his actual meaning. The perennial Simpsons quote "Shoplifting is a victimless crime...like punching someone in the dark" would've been a more direct illustration, at least if the author meant what I think he meant :)

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#106
What an amazingly insightful article. Props to the author for speaking up. Yet, slightly dissapointed that he did not leave out of his own accord, but waited to be laid off.

In his own reasoning "I’ve come to the conclusion that having a father who can pay for a top-notch education outweighs the disadvantage of being raised by a hypocrite."

Acting as if financial success equates to dishonesty. While in the very same piece the author praises free market, and money in exchange for true value does not compute. Does he believe, or not believe in the power of a free market, or has he come to develop a disbelief in honest trading?

Re: The story BCG offered me $16,000 not to tell

#107

He invokes Excel as an analytical engine several times in this story. I am trying to figure out if he actually considers it to be a powerful statistical engine, or if he is merely using it synecdochically for the benefit of non-technical readers, in order to represent statistical software more generally.

Mostly off-topic anecdote:

In high school there was a girl in my class that preferre to do everything in excel. And that included writing papers, because it made the formatting easy.

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#108

Isn't the headline offer he's talking about, which he goes into at the end, really just a very standard clause in a layoff agreement?

No, it really isn't. Not at any of the small businesses I ever worked for, where the guys at the top probably decide these things themselves. Not at a very, very large business I worked for, where the guys at the top probably didn't know the name of anyone in my building and everything was done by HR and Legal automatons. And not at any medium sized businesses I have ever worked for, either. The only time an agreemen…

It's pretty standard at both banks and large tech companies that when they make you redundant or fire you that they ask you to sign something similar. I'd be surprised if say Google or Microsoft didn't have something similar in their standard redundancy pay-out contracts.

Re: The story BCG offered me $16,000 not to tell

#109
post #41

"At my salary level, and with my expected advancement path, I could comfortably retire in my thirties." I've heard this or statements like it in quite a few articles over the years, but I've never actually met a retired thirties business consultant. Do they exist and am I just missing them? The only ones I know are well into their thirties, working 70+ hours a week, and looking forward to making even larger boatloads…

That actually undermines his main point -- that he stuck to his "morals" and forgone the "large" hush money check at the end. If he was making enough to retire by his 30s then $16k wasn't that significant of an amount. That means the didn't really lose a lot so his "moral" stance is more symbolic, and not the tough financial decision that article might imply.

I don't think that was his main point. He had, after all, just said that he was willing to compromise his morals to the extent of continuing to work with BCG despite the dishonesty it involved -- because the amount of money potentially involved was so large. "I think I’ve come to the conclusion that having a father who can pay for a top-notch education outweighs the disadvantage of being raised by a hypocrite. Sticking with the job for the sake of a paycheck passes the children test."

So I'd say his main point wasn't "look at me, I stuck to my morals" but "I'm corruptible but not infinitely corruptible". (The reason for mentioning the $16k in the title isn't to say "look how much money I turned down" but to say "look how much money they offered me for this".)

Re: The story BCG offered me $16,000 not to tell

#110

"At my salary level, and with my expected advancement path, I could comfortably retire in my thirties." I've heard this or statements like it in quite a few articles over the years, but I've never actually met a retired thirties business consultant. Do they exist and am I just missing them? The only ones I know are well into their thirties, working 70+ hours a week, and looking forward to making even larger boatloads…

It's not true, is why.

After 10-15 years at one of the top consultancies you could have completed outright the major capital purchases of your life (e.g. a house or two, maybe a boat) and could downshift to something much less stressful but you certainly couldn't stop working altogether. And these houses would be nice, sure, but we're not talking mansions with helicopter pads and servants here. Basically you would be established in a solid upper-middle-class lifestyle, but you would still need to work to maintain it.

The consulting business pays very good wages, but you don't get to build any significant equity - what you need to retire on - until and unless you make partner.

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