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FAA Urges Passengers to Not Use Samsung Galaxy Note 7 on Planes

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> The only reason I can still use my note 3 is because I was able to easily replace the battery with a new one. that is exactly why you won't see removable batteries in new phones; how else do you drive the new buy cycle every 2 years? as speed and features, phones are pretty much 2010-desktops; good enough for what they do so they don't need replacement on the new hardware generation

Yep. I'm still using my galaxy s2. Had to replace the back twice and the battery once. Bought it in 2013. Total I've paid for my phone is about $50 over the last 3 years. It's really crazy how many people have been tricked into thinking they absolutely need to pay hundreds every year or 2 and that they need to pay dozens of dollars per month for service. Absolute racket.

Unfortunately, the software and to some extent the network assumes frequent upgrades.

Despite having a relatively newish s4, the number of apps that simply won't work with my phone is astonishing. And once I passed the 2-year point of ownership, the number of network glitches has noticeably increased (dropped calls, messages taking hours to go through, loss of 4G for hours for no apparent reason).

I wouldn't be surprised if some of these glitches are intentional.

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#102
post #65

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>* But what is the maximum possible damage from a burning battery?* As opposed to the one from bottled water?

Airports around the world must make a fortune selling bottled water. That rule is never going away no matter how stupid it is :-(

I've yet to step foot in an airport that didn't have water fountains, and won't let you take an empty reusable bottle through security. There's no need to buy bottled water.

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It seems unwise to gate-check a bag with a laptop anyway, given the way the luggage handlers throw bags around. Gate-checking a roller board suitcase with clothing is one thing, but I wouldn't check anything fragile or particularly expensive.

I flew out of Beijing recently, and there all check-in baggage was immediately scanned for batteries. If they found what they thought were batteries, you had to remove them from the bag and take it on carry-on.

I really like that. Now that would actually make me feel safer.

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Airports around the world must make a fortune selling bottled water. That rule is never going away no matter how stupid it is :-(

I've yet to step foot in an airport that didn't have water fountains, and won't let you take an empty reusable bottle through security. There's no need to buy bottled water.

I don't remember any fountains in the Warsaw airport.

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#105
post #66

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This is actually my #1 fear in flying in 2016. Some rough baggage packing under the plane that damages a laptop battery in the gate checked bag. Every time I fly I watch people gate check bags with laptops and more even after the announcement to "remove all lithium batteries & electronics". I wish more people understood how dangerous this could be and would take 3 minutes to take electronics out and carry them on boa…

> I wish more people understood how dangerous this could be and would take 3 minutes to take electronics out and carry them on board with them. All kinds of electronics are in the cargo, including tons of packages of electronics mailed to users in another city/country. Why would it be any more dangerous to have them in cargo than on board the passenger seats? Obviously cargo has better wall protection, and automatic…

There are a lot of mixed reviews of the effectiveness of halon on li-ion batteries on fire. It definitely failed on actual battery cargo. One battery in luggage may be stoppable but I wouldn't want to find out first hand.

https://batterybro.com/blogs/18650-wholesale-battery-reviews...

Re: FAA Urges Passengers to Not Use Samsung Galaxy Note 7 on Planes

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Here's the actual release: https://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsI... Might as well just quote it in full: > In light of recent incidents and concerns raised by Samsung about its Galaxy Note 7 devices, the Federal Aviation Administration strongly advises passengers not to turn on or charge these devices on board aircraft and not to stow them in any checked baggage.

I wonder why they aren't being banned, the way that hover boards were (though I believe the fire risk for the Note 7 is only present while charging)

It would be unenforceable. You can't make airport staff verify that the passenger is using a Pixel C or Xperia Z4 rather than a Galaxy Note. You'd be lucky if they don't just call them all iPads.

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#107
post #94

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Honestly, I've always scratched my head slightly at the fact that one is allowed to travel with an explosive device, so long as it also functions as a battery - yet bottled water is way out . It's trivially easy to make a lithium fire at 45,000 feet. Stamp on/bend an IMR 18450, and you have a torch which will burn through a window. Hell, you could probably just fold your phone in half - most batteries run the full he…

I don't know about the battery you're referencing but as far as phones go: I once cooked a Li battery from a Galaxy S5 under a thermostream at 200C (totally not by accident guys!) and it outgassed a lot, but there was no signs of fire. The battery was certainly warped and distended, and no doubt it got hot! Further, I've seen videos of people piercing phone batteries, and it outgasses, but there was no fire. Not sayi…

Did it still hold a charge after you were done?

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#108
post #95

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Google pushing out a new letter each year is working wonders even if the hardware does not degrade at all. People remember how a major update years ago did make things noticeably better and won't easily give up hope that the current increments would be similar (same thing for hardware btw, people remember the huge progress between the very first generations of smartphones and want to repeat that experience, no matter…

It might be too subtle for you to see but there's real advancement going on in those new releases. Some of those features are security-related, which is the same kind of thing that drives many iOS features. IMO Google does good by releasing new updates to Android and for their branded devices they usually offer one or more of these updates before they stop supporting them. If you choose to root the devices, often the…

> one or more of these updates

Which ends up (in some cases) not even being two years of support, for instance the Nexus 6.

Meanwhile the iPhone 5 will run iOS 10 when it comes out, making it four years of updates, and counting for that phone.

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I wonder why they aren't being banned, the way that hover boards were (though I believe the fire risk for the Note 7 is only present while charging)

Honestly, I've always scratched my head slightly at the fact that one is allowed to travel with an explosive device, so long as it also functions as a battery - yet bottled water is way out . It's trivially easy to make a lithium fire at 45,000 feet. Stamp on/bend an IMR 18450, and you have a torch which will burn through a window. Hell, you could probably just fold your phone in half - most batteries run the full he…

You're comparing unlike things. Bottled water is not banned because someone decided it was more dangerous than lithium batteries. Bottles of liquid more than 100ml are banned because they can be used to carry on chemicals that can be combined to make something much more dangerous than a battery.

Note also that lithium-ion batteries over 100 watt-hours are banned too.

Re: FAA Urges Passengers to Not Use Samsung Galaxy Note 7 on Planes

#110
post #94

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I don't know about the battery you're referencing but as far as phones go: I once cooked a Li battery from a Galaxy S5 under a thermostream at 200C (totally not by accident guys!) and it outgassed a lot, but there was no signs of fire. The battery was certainly warped and distended, and no doubt it got hot! Further, I've seen videos of people piercing phone batteries, and it outgasses, but there was no fire. Not sayi…

Did it still hold a charge after you were done?

I confess I didn't try it. The whole casing had ruptured and was warped / distended. It wouldn't have even been close to fitting back in the phone. Also, passing current through it was the furthest thing from my mind. I assure you, it's not because I was embarrassed by my screwup and trying to clean up my mess as quickly as possible (plus feeling a little loopy from being gassed out).
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