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Re: Malicious ZIP archives found in the AKP leak on the Wikileaks site

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Post by pessimizer »

jazzyk wrote: post #48
mtgx wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because there's a growing campaign trying to paint Wikileaks as a the "bad guys" (again). Combine that with the fact that most people don't want Trump to win, so they're automatically on Clinton's side, and with Clinton's deflection of the DNC hack documents that pointed to election rigging towards who hacked the DNC, and that anti-Wikileaks campaign is suddenly a lot more effective. So now when other sites write abo…

>Combine that with the fact that most people don't want Trump to win Just to bring you back to planet Earth, all the latest polls show the two major candidates in dead heat.

It's not even planet Earth, it's just basic logic. It most voters don't want Trump to win, Trump will not win a survey of voters.

There's never been any doubt that most white Americans will vote for Trump. The Democrats haven't won whites since 1964. The Civil Rights Act ended that possibility. The big question is whether Trump will overwhelmingly win whites, or just comfortably win whites.

Re: Malicious ZIP archives found in the AKP leak on the Wikileaks site

#102

Post by grandalf »

leephillips wrote: post #90
trendia wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're taking Assange's words out of context. He was talking about the release itself, in that it showed how the DNC actively worked to hamper Bernie's efforts despite being a "neutral" organization. (Neutrality is one of the conditions for the DNC to receive tax breaks for their convention). > Why not delete malware from your servers once a security researcher has located it for you? Assange has repeatedly s…

"I think you're taking Assange's words out of context" I don't believe so, but people can watch the interview and come to their own conclusions. The question was put very deliberately and specifically by Maher, who asked if private people's personal information was "fair game".

To the extent that WL is still willing to publish some personal information, it's much the same as the civilian casualties that result from drone attacks. It is deemed to be an acceptable consequence of the action.

Re: Malicious ZIP archives found in the AKP leak on the Wikileaks site

#103

Post by leephillips »

grandalf wrote: post #102
leephillips wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I think you're taking Assange's words out of context" I don't believe so, but people can watch the interview and come to their own conclusions. The question was put very deliberately and specifically by Maher, who asked if private people's personal information was "fair game".

To the extent that WL is still willing to publish some personal information, it's much the same as the civilian casualties that result from drone attacks. It is deemed to be an acceptable consequence of the action.

I guess this would be a good analogy if it were trivially easy for the President to bring the civilian casualties back to life, but he preferred not to, and said that killing them was "good fun".

Re: Malicious ZIP archives found in the AKP leak on the Wikileaks site

#104

Post by soundwave106 »

grandalf wrote: post #98
soundwave106 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the charges as I understand it is Mr. Assange had sex with one of the accusers while she was asleep. That definitely seems to qualify as rape in Sweden penal code ( https://lagen.nu/1962:700#K6P1S1 -- note I'm relying on Google Translate so corrections welcome). Sweden is not the only country that considers sex with someone sleeping or otherwise unconscious as rape; a quick look at UK law for instance seems to…

Do you know the current status of the cases? I believe one or both was dropped at the behest of the accuser(s) or prosecutor.

From what I see of the current status, the investigation regarding a rape charge is still pending; the other charges hit their statute of limitations last year. Since this is a recent article, I assume someone is still someone is still interested in pursuing the case currently.

http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/julian-assange-rape-case...

Re: Malicious ZIP archives found in the AKP leak on the Wikileaks site

#105

Post by pessimizer »

forgottenpass wrote: post #66
jshevek wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Claiming someone is alt-right is starting to have the feel of McCarthy era claims of communism. We are supposed to associate that label (and thus the person) with the deeply unsavory, without looking at their actual, specific positions and actions.

Claiming someone is alt-right is starting to have the feel of McCarthy era claims of communism. I don't know what they stand for. But I visit generally progressive-leaning places on the internet and know I'm supposed to hate them. I still haven't even figured out who the "reactionaries" are or what they believe in. I think what happened is some people used the wrong word when talking about "contrarians" and through a…

The alt-right is what happened when 4chan trolls, MRAs/PUAs, and Stormfront had a baby called 8chan.net/pol/

It's a small group of maybe 10,000, of which 5,000 don't even take the positions seriously, just love to troll millennial college "activist" consumer-types. The Clinton speech about the alt-right will have the same effect as Geraldo Rivera's goofy coverage of Neo-nazi skinheads in the 80s - multiplying their numbers a hundred-fold.

Re: Malicious ZIP archives found in the AKP leak on the Wikileaks site

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Post by jshevek »

forgottenpass wrote: post #66
jshevek wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Claiming someone is alt-right is starting to have the feel of McCarthy era claims of communism. We are supposed to associate that label (and thus the person) with the deeply unsavory, without looking at their actual, specific positions and actions.

Claiming someone is alt-right is starting to have the feel of McCarthy era claims of communism. I don't know what they stand for. But I visit generally progressive-leaning places on the internet and know I'm supposed to hate them. I still haven't even figured out who the "reactionaries" are or what they believe in. I think what happened is some people used the wrong word when talking about "contrarians" and through a…

> about "contrarians" and through a game of telephone turned created a new political boogieman.

That's an interesting suggestion. It does look like many so called alt righters seem to be contrarians, non-conformists, critics of mainstream ideology or 'normal' right wing ideology. We need more of those people, and we often benefit from listening to them.

Some of them have beliefs I find abhorrent, but they also clearly do not all share the same beliefs.

Narrow minded bloggers and such on the left have cultivated this widespread belief (among some liberals) that we should automatically despise and ignore anyone that gets labelled "alt right"

Re: Malicious ZIP archives found in the AKP leak on the Wikileaks site

#107

Post by icebraining »

leephillips wrote: post #82

Since there is much speculation here about Assange's motives, why not at least consider how he himself describes them? In this interview with Bill Maher: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-EJAIXdGp8 Assange explains that he found it to be "good fun" to release SS and credit card numbers of thousands of random, innocent people. If we consider that Assange may be one of those (we know they exist, in significant numbers)…

Just a bit later, he says only the last 4 CC digits were published, is he wrong?

Re: Malicious ZIP archives found in the AKP leak on the Wikileaks site

#108

Post by jshevek »

pessimizer wrote: post #105
forgottenpass wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Claiming someone is alt-right is starting to have the feel of McCarthy era claims of communism. I don't know what they stand for. But I visit generally progressive-leaning places on the internet and know I'm supposed to hate them. I still haven't even figured out who the "reactionaries" are or what they believe in. I think what happened is some people used the wrong word when talking about "contrarians" and through a…

The alt-right is what happened when 4chan trolls, MRAs/PUAs, and Stormfront had a baby called 8chan.net/pol/ It's a small group of maybe 10,000, of which 5,000 don't even take the positions seriously, just love to troll millennial college "activist" consumer-types. The Clinton speech about the alt-right will have the same effect as Geraldo Rivera's goofy coverage of Neo-nazi skinheads in the 80s - multiplying their n…

> It's a small group [some of whom] don't even take the positions seriously, just love to troll millennial college "activist" consumer-types.

I completely agree that this group exists, that this phenomenon exists. However, it's also apparent from the way many people use the label "alt right", that they are not limiting themselves to describing this group.

Re: Malicious ZIP archives found in the AKP leak on the Wikileaks site

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Post by calgoo »

Tergmap wrote: post #45
wavefunction wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you elaborate? Specifically who 'we' are and how Sanders and Trump were helped.

Even I was able to identify the sarcasm on first sight.

Also, can people please label sarcasm with a /s or similar? Sarcasm does not translate well to other languages.

Re: Malicious ZIP archives found in the AKP leak on the Wikileaks site

#110

Post by varjag »

grandalf wrote: post #92
varjag wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sweden has a particular definition of rape that is far more encompassing of conduct that in most jurisdictions constitutes fully consensual activity. Since the claims against Assange would be considered claims of consensual sex in the US, it's hard for me to take them entirely seriously, yet the label of "Rapist" persists. This phenomenon is truly bizarre. What's truly bizarre is the crowd who's first to invoke "in…

> You are willing to excuse him things that you'd find inexcusable to anyone from the "establishment". Not at all. Please recall that Assange has a legitimate concern about extradition and has had to seek political asylum. In spite of this he has offered to face the charges if some assurance could be made that he would not be taken into custody and extradited. Since Assange is a political refugee, I take his concerns…

> He has shown no sign of being unwilling to face the charges, and the new prosecutor has requested them to be dropped.

He broke the bail and went on the run. If that doesn't constitute "unwillingness to face charges", am not sure what does.

I would agree with you though that Assange persona isn't particularly important in the grand scheme of things.

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