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Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by spectrum1234 »

paulcole wrote: post #59
gtrubetskoy wrote: post #57

I don't have a weight problem, I learned about ketosis researching natural ways for improving focus and concentration, and somehow came across "bulletproof coffee". (I'm only using BP for lack of a better name and I don't endorse the stuff they sell online). To my utter surprise, something as stupidly simple as coffee blended with butter with coconut oil (or MCT) first thing in the morning did unbelievable things for…

> I consider myself fairly knowledgeable as far as basic physiology is concerned No offense, but after learning you were dead wrong about a pretty fundamental concept, have you reevaluated this belief?

This is not necessarily needed. Because this is a rare case where not only is the mainstream media wrong but so are most other common viewpoints.

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by ariel-faigon »

WhitneyLand wrote: post #25

He advocates a book "The Truth About Statins". Is it helpful info on evidence based science or mostly zealotry and soapboxing?

"He" is me :)

Sorry, I've never read that book so rest assured, I'm not promoting it. Please note that the link is not to the book, it is a just a google search for the term "the truth about statins". Perhaps some sponsored ad for the book was added by google? If so, my sincere apologies for the unintended consequences.

Here's my personal experience with statins, I may be wrong here, but I'm following my compass and am open to be proven otherwise:

Doctor: "Your 'bad cholesterol' is borderline, I want you to take these statins". Side observation: when the 'Lipitor' patent expired and it became a cheap generic drug, the suggestion turned into 'Crestor' which I learned has a bit longer effective half-life, and way higher price. Me, researching the subject while adopting a different diet: "Hmm statins would have taken me _maybe_ 3% lower and here I am 20% lower after a year of a simple, self-studied, diet change. Maybe there are better ways to lower the so called 'bad cholesterol'? Further study: there's always a new statin the moment patent expires: check out: Compactin -> Simvastatin -> Fluvastatin -> Cerivastatin -> Atorvastatin -> Rosuvastatin on wikipedia (these are chemical names, not brand names, the last two are the brands: "Lipitor" and "Crestor")

So I don't know. I'm 100% sure all my doctors are well meaning and caring and I have nothing against them, but my confidence in these health suggestions, and in all the research that is funded by big-pharma, and in the new great statin of the era while america keeps getting obese and less healthy, is, how can I put it? a bit shaken.

No zealotry at all. Just prove me wrong, and I'll change my view.

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by samuelbrin »

aantix wrote: post #80
samuelbrin wrote: post #72

I might have missed it, but doesn't look like ketone levels was one of the factors being measured. You can actually buy ketone pee strips at any drugstore for cheap. Would have been an interesting thing to track, since conventional wisdom says that ketosis is binary, you're in it or your not, and the actual ketone level doesn't affect the weight loss. I'm sure this has been put to the test in some experiments already…

On a related note; NuSI (Gary Taubes's Nutrition Science Initiative for better nutritional testing) has not published their first results for the carbohydrate/insulin link to obesity, but Dr. Kevin Hall discusses the upcoming results in this video and some people may be surprised (including Gary). _No Metabolic Advantage for Ketosis Found_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiUyjMjuLl0

I wish I had data to back this up, but there is no chance I was in caloric deficit on the keto diet. I lost lots of weight at the time. Not claiming my body violated energy conservation, but clearly this is more complex than "you don't get weight loss for free so you have to exercise more". So many folks doing the keto diet are sucking down ungodly amounts of bacon, heavy cream, etc and losing weight

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by jtmarmon »

samuelbrin wrote: post #94
jtmarmon wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't contest that ketone level affects weightloss, but just to be clear, ketone pee strips don't tell you anything about your "ketone levels". They tell you the concentration of ketones expelled in your urine, which varies by a lot of things, like time of day and hydration levels. Precision Xtra test strips will give you a far more precise and accurate measure of ketones in your blood and if you wanted to do anyth…

Hmm I don't think you're right. I'm looking at an old bottle of ketostix brand, and it specifies Acetoacetic Acid, which seems to be some kind of ketone. Or maybe it's another byproduct? Edit - Also, presumably the other factors like hydration and time of day could be tracked as well used to apply learning

you're correct; had my terms jumbled. edited my comment for correctness.

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by quickpost »

I've tried keto a couple times in the past, but struggled with serious acid reflux / heartburn from having to digest so much fat all the time. Any one else struggle with this and find a way to incorporate keto without negative digestive consequences?

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by MicroBerto »

philip1209 wrote: post #5
tunnuz wrote: post #3

This is all good if your goal is weight loss. However weight loss doesn't necessarily means higher fitness. Glycogen is fundamental if you do sports, and exercise is a major ingredient in getting fit. If I read correctly, exercise was not a big part of your experiment, how would you suggest modifying the experiment to accommodate one's exercising needs? On a side note, I reached a similar conclusion on the role of "c…

I'm in ketosis. I can tell when the glycogen in my liver depletes. I hit a wall and can't keep going. I find that it has to do with intensity - for low intensity exercise, I can go forever. When I have to exert more (like running up an SF hill), it depletes me more. To fix this, you more or less have to keep intensity lower. I think that's why it works well for bicyclists who can change gears. Good news is that, afte…

Look into BHB supplements. We're doing a lot of research on them and they may be just what you're looking for.

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by mrfusion »

PerfectElement wrote: post #47
tunnuz wrote: post #3

This is all good if your goal is weight loss. However weight loss doesn't necessarily means higher fitness. Glycogen is fundamental if you do sports, and exercise is a major ingredient in getting fit. If I read correctly, exercise was not a big part of your experiment, how would you suggest modifying the experiment to accommodate one's exercising needs? On a side note, I reached a similar conclusion on the role of "c…

Another anecdote. I tried keto on and off for 2 years while trying to achieve my former triathlete performance. I felt good at the beginning; lost some weight and felt more energy, but it quickly declined and I was never able to perform well. Last year I was introduced to books like Finding Ultra, Whole and Proteinaholic, and went on a high carb diet. Today my diet is based on beans, lentils, potatoes and fruits and…

Any good ways to prepare lentils?

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by ghshephard »

jtmarmon wrote: post #89
mgraczyk wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a counter point, I did keto for several months last year and found that my concentration and mental clarity were significantly worse while on the diet. My mind operated at about the capacity as it would have, had I slept only 5 hours the night before.

Most people find that their alertness and focus improve significantly on keto. The trick is that a) it takes quite a while for your body to get adjusted to ketosis. 6 months to fully adjust, but the primary adjustment will take at 2-4 weeks for most people b) during this adjustment period, you'll usually feel like shit. since you're running empty on the fuel your body is used to. but many people cheat, or accidentall…

I wonder if anybody on Ketosis has ever done an endurance event and not ended up feeling absolutely miserable/exhausted. I was on a fairly low carb regime (The research that I've read says that the ideal training regime is to work-out in a carb-exhausted state, so as to encourage your body to develop the low-carb metabolic pathway, but for actual endurance events, definitely carb load as your primary fuel.

Re: Machine Learning and Ketosis

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Post by b34r »

quickpost wrote: post #105

I've tried keto a couple times in the past, but struggled with serious acid reflux / heartburn from having to digest so much fat all the time. Any one else struggle with this and find a way to incorporate keto without negative digestive consequences?

Tums and hydration will get you 90% of the way there. 10 months on keto so far :)
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