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Re: Google employees have enjoyed revolving door during Obama administration

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What's your stack like?

Binti's main SaaS web product is a conventional monolithic Rails/Postgres app that delivers value in heaps and heaps, and remains super fun to hack on. We're building the monolith up higher and higher, and looking forward to soon chipping off a service or two (perhaps in Elixir?). Specific engineering roles we have open are for someone that is highly-opinionated on the front-end stack/practices, a security specialist…

Interesting. Thanks for the info. Is no recent rails experience an issue? I have django experience (years worth) but anything recent with rails (nothing after rails 2).

Re: Google employees have enjoyed revolving door during Obama administration

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It's capped at 160K. This means most are likely making less.

For a data point, I was offered $130k for a position at the IRS (as a USDS employee) working on taxpayer authorization, authentication, identity management.

That's about the number that my contact as a non-USDS employee (they seem to try to hire people for other orgs --"oops, sorry, we're actually full up, but do you want to work for the VA?" - no, no I do not, under any circumstances) was floating at me.

Re: Google employees have enjoyed revolving door during Obama administration

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post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Binti's main SaaS web product is a conventional monolithic Rails/Postgres app that delivers value in heaps and heaps, and remains super fun to hack on. We're building the monolith up higher and higher, and looking forward to soon chipping off a service or two (perhaps in Elixir?). Specific engineering roles we have open are for someone that is highly-opinionated on the front-end stack/practices, a security specialist…

Interesting. Thanks for the info. Is no recent rails experience an issue? I have django experience (years worth) but anything recent with rails (nothing after rails 2).

Not an issue at all, we could probably benefit from your perspective :)

Re: Google employees have enjoyed revolving door during Obama administration

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"TFA mentions ex-Googlers in the FCC, the FTC and the DOD," FWIW: Some of the folks they are counting are interns, AFAICT. Otherwise, i have trouble seeing what the hullaboo is about. For example, Matthew Bye (Disclaimer: i've worked closely with Matthew for years) is someone they claim went from the FTC to Google. He got a job at the FTC out of law school for a few years. Then he went to Wilson Sonshini for 3 years.…

From my understanding, Wilson Sonshini counts Google as a client, and works heavily in antitrust matters. Can you not see the issue with someone in the FTC then being handed a position at Google's antitrust lawyer, and then Google itself? Would a FTC member doing their job, being critical of companies like Google, be offered a job with Google's defense? Similarly, after paid Google shill (literally by his own admissi…

Again, you see these people as "the places they work for". He wasn't "handed a position". He applied for a job, got interviewed, and took it. What favor do you think happened here, or anywhere? What evidence do you have of this?

No, i can't see a general problem with antitrust lawyers, or really, any lawyer deciding where to work.

Private law firms hire people with government experience precisely because they know how it works. Not because they want favors, but because they have experience. The same is true of Google, Microsoft, Facebook, whoever. This is no different than hiring from "industry". The industry of antitrust lawyers includes government lawyers. You try to hire the best, regardless of who they work for.

If your goal is to prevent favors from being done, prevent favors from being done[1]. I don't see why that has any general relation to job mobility.

People either have integrity or not. Either they make decisions and voice opinions without regard to future career mobility or not.

If they generally don't, you are pretty much screwed no matter what you do here - you need to fix people, you aren't really going to fix the process[1].

If they generally do, than you should just worry about the outliers..

[1] Imagine for a second, you go so far as to have a neutral committee review every person who changes jobs, including all correspondence, video tapes of interviews, whatever. Do you believe this would fix it? No, of course not, it'll just drive any bad behavior further into the dark. It would literally not stop any problem.

If you ban job mobility, would that stop any problems? Given the number of senators/congressman/etc indicted for having their houses renovated for free, etc, i'm going to go with "no".

If your problem is integrity, people without integrity are going to be much more creative about the favors they get, how they are done, etc.

Changing job mobility will not change this. As evidence: It literally hasn't, in the past 200 years.

The only thing it does is hurt the honest people.

Re: Google employees have enjoyed revolving door during Obama administration

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From my understanding, Wilson Sonshini counts Google as a client, and works heavily in antitrust matters. Can you not see the issue with someone in the FTC then being handed a position at Google's antitrust lawyer, and then Google itself? Would a FTC member doing their job, being critical of companies like Google, be offered a job with Google's defense? Similarly, after paid Google shill (literally by his own admissi…

Again, you see these people as "the places they work for". He wasn't "handed a position". He applied for a job, got interviewed, and took it. What favor do you think happened here, or anywhere? What evidence do you have of this? No, i can't see a general problem with antitrust lawyers, or really, any lawyer deciding where to work. Private law firms hire people with government experience precisely because they know ho…

We're talking about people who directly move in and out of Google or Google contractors, and places which have a immediate and direct conflict of interest with Google. Which inexplicably, almost without other justification, seems to avoid any sort of legal action against it. And this isn't a one-off case of one employee moving around. It's a significant, recurring process.

And in the case of Joshua Wright, long before he revolved his way into an FTC position, he was already receiving money under the table to fabricate "academic studies" supporting Google's antitrust position, which they then used as expert references to their claims. We already have a corrupt individual who's engaged in unethical practices on Google's behalf, which then also moved into a government position where he had an extreme ability to protect Google from government action.

We've long understood that transparency in government in terms of where money changes hands, where people are employed, and similar factors are key in preventing corruption. People may not be the places they work for, but they are representatives of their employers. If this wasn't understood, political donations wouldn't require the disclosure of a donor's employer.

You seem to be suggesting we should dismiss our entire understanding of how corruption occurs, because the evidence points very clearly that corruption is happening between our government and Google. Honest people, unfortunately, are not involved here.

Note for other readers: DannyBee is a Googler and claims in his profile to be a lawyer, so presumably has worked with the Google, FTC, and WSG&R people discussed here.

Re: Google employees have enjoyed revolving door during Obama administration

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Interesting. Thanks for the info. Is no recent rails experience an issue? I have django experience (years worth) but anything recent with rails (nothing after rails 2).

Not an issue at all, we could probably benefit from your perspective :)

That comment convinced me to follow up. :)

Re: Google employees have enjoyed revolving door during Obama administration

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"TFA mentions ex-Googlers in the FCC, the FTC and the DOD," FWIW: Some of the folks they are counting are interns, AFAICT. Otherwise, i have trouble seeing what the hullaboo is about. For example, Matthew Bye (Disclaimer: i've worked closely with Matthew for years) is someone they claim went from the FTC to Google. He got a job at the FTC out of law school for a few years. Then he went to Wilson Sonshini for 3 years.…

From my understanding, Wilson Sonshini counts Google as a client, and works heavily in antitrust matters. Can you not see the issue with someone in the FTC then being handed a position at Google's antitrust lawyer, and then Google itself? Would a FTC member doing their job, being critical of companies like Google, be offered a job with Google's defense? Similarly, after paid Google shill (literally by his own admissi…

These sorts of career moves are extremely common. I work in the IT department of an AmLaw 200 firm and our attorneys regularly leave to work for clients and vice versa.
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