Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I can say that almost all rapists are men. Obviously that doesn't mean that all men are rapists, it means that the probability that a given rapist is a man is very high. You can't determine the probability of an individual like that, at least without more data. I can say that almost all the people who contract HIV are african american or men who have sex with men, that does not mean that the probability of any give…
...That is literally what he just said.
Dispelling myths about the autistic programmer
101–110 of 172 posts
Re: Dispelling myths about the autistic programmer
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe its neutral or slightly better in adulthood, but only if the autism isn't accompanied by other problems that frequently accompany autism, such as language disabilities and anxiety.
Asperger is nothing like Forrest Gump or the Rainman characters, BTW. It is like Holden Caulfield or Travis the Taxi Driver, or the Deer Hunter, or Rocky the Bum.
Re: Dispelling myths about the autistic programmer
#103 http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366(14)70248-2/abstract
An obsessive personality can lead to an individual working 80 hour weeks - not by choice, but by default. They literally don't know any better and are not necessarily competent to make a conscious decision not to this.I've worked with two suicides, both of which would have scored as Asperger's (a diagnosis in retrospect) and two others that completely broke down from the stress of 80 hour a week software engineering jobs. They didn't need to be taken advantage of, they needed an environment that didn't demand they live under that kind of pressure, and an organization that was in tune to the consequences of applying this kind of pressure to non-neurotypical employees.
I wonder if program's like Microsofts deal with this. These are special needs employees - and its sick to read that business people want to exploit someone's disability to further their own careers.
The social skills issue is often not for want of social connection, but a frustrating inability to be able to participate. Again, this is a disability, not a choice. The social isolation can easily turn to depression and an unintentional withdrawal from society with co-morbid substance abuse problems. Someone else in this discussion mentioned the recent medical examiner findings about Ian Murdock's suicide.
Re: Dispelling myths about the autistic programmer
#104With all the discrimination and bullying going around, I think it is good that someone has something nice to say about autistic programmers. Like Ian Murdock who founded Debian and recently committed suicide had Asperger's Syndrome. Despite obvious impressive technical skills, life probably wasn't easy for him. Most companies favor hiring average programmers that fit the mold over "weird people" even if they are amaz…
It used to be that an employee needed to step up to the needs, expectations and social compatibilities of the company they're going into. Certainly that's still much of an expectation today; as you mention employers prefer average & expected, vs exceptional (including all meanings of the word), though there's a bit more two-way action mixed in especially with physical disabilities and discrimination.
But what actionable changes are mentioned in the article, and what are their tradeoffs? Dropping a degree requirement is obviously sensible that benefits pretty much everybody, and has been for a long time. But the biggest issues seem to be social and communicative processes with team development of large projects. How can things change there? Any great ideas need to be presented and gain traction and acceptance in order to be adopted in a larger team environment. So much of design and implementation is not just technical creation of stuff that works, but social championship of gaining consensus so that software works together.
In the high speed development environment of the larger commercial games industry, there's no real place for people to sit off by themselves and code some grand project solo to avoid those issues.
Re: Dispelling myths about the autistic programmer
#105In my teenage years, it meant that I was a loner who went home at the end of a school days, played games by myself, and that was it. In my adult years, it's been much more difficult.
My background is a complete mess. I got a degree in Computer Networking because programming wasn't available, and then later went on to work retail for several years. In the meantime, I kept working on programming projects.
On the programming side, I have a 5 year project where I built everything myself, and a handful of 1 year projects, most of which the source code has been lost for.
Trying to get jobs in the industry is a joke. Take a look at the above, and you'll see someone who isn't normal, isn't average. I send resumes off and I get "We don't think you'll be a good fit" or ignored. That right there is what hurts the most. I could accept getting interviews and failing them, but being outright rejected before being given a chance, that flat hurts.
I've got a lot of traits that come from Aspergers too. I don't have an interest in much besides computers, so I often spend entire days at home and coding or thinking about coding problems. Doesn't bother me to spend 12+ hours in a day just coding.
Horrible at eye contact, and don't know why. Monotone voice? Check. Sometimes I'll mean to say one word and say another without realizing it, or focus on someone's meaning in one part and miss the others. I don't have that rage though. Used to when I was younger. But the computer doesn't care if you get mad, and it's better to just let logic take over.
I've still got my fingers crossed that I'll find a place that will give me a chance. But if I can't find that, then I'll shrug my shoulders and go back to working retail.
Re: Dispelling myths about the autistic programmer
#106Autism results from brain and metabolic damage. Autism is comorbid with a huge mess of other physiological problems and early death and is not at all associated with abstract reasoning ability. The idiot savant thing like with Rain Man is pretty much a myth. Whatever happened to the eccentric "absent minded professor" stereotype? There has been a seemingly deliberate and strange conflation of eccentric introverts wit…
Re: Dispelling myths about the autistic programmer
#107Autism results from brain and metabolic damage. Autism is comorbid with a huge mess of other physiological problems and early death and is not at all associated with abstract reasoning ability. The idiot savant thing like with Rain Man is pretty much a myth. Whatever happened to the eccentric "absent minded professor" stereotype? There has been a seemingly deliberate and strange conflation of eccentric introverts wit…
And yet a statement: Autism results from brain and metabolic damage.
Do you think this, believe it, or just think it seems true?
Do you have an autistic relative or one that has been diagnosed as aspergers, bipolar or schizophrenic?
What skin do you have in this discussion? Your post seems to ask for an interpretation by "truthyness", but your facts are not in evidence.
Re: Dispelling myths about the autistic programmer
#108Re: Dispelling myths about the autistic programmer
#109I dont know if autistic people are better programmers, but what I feel that - from 20 years making software - is that people with these personality traits that fit into the spectrum of autism and who happen to end up in the software industry are extremely vulnerable to being exploited by people with certain other personality traits. Put a narcissistic (or whatever you want to call this type of people - maybe sociopat…
Re: Dispelling myths about the autistic programmer
#110Autism results from brain and metabolic damage. Autism is comorbid with a huge mess of other physiological problems and early death and is not at all associated with abstract reasoning ability. The idiot savant thing like with Rain Man is pretty much a myth. Whatever happened to the eccentric "absent minded professor" stereotype? There has been a seemingly deliberate and strange conflation of eccentric introverts wit…
"I think". "I believe". "Seemingly deliberate". And yet a statement: Autism results from brain and metabolic damage. Do you think this, believe it, or just think it seems true? Do you have an autistic relative or one that has been diagnosed as aspergers, bipolar or schizophrenic? What skin do you have in this discussion? Your post seems to ask for an interpretation by "truthyness", but your facts are not in evidence.
You sound like a serious sperg. I like the term and find it useful, but I won't pretend for a second it's medical.