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Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by mordocai »

collyw wrote: post #85
mordocai wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sugar specifically is showing signs of being incredibly bad for you and yet is added to most of the "diet foods" instead of fat (which is showing signs of being less bad for you then people say). I don't have the studies handy, and you can find studies that say either way.

But carbohydrates as a whole? I think it was on here I read an article by a doctor who's general rule was keep your food as unprocessed as possible.

I haven't seen any evidence of carbs in general being evil no. Just lots of the common sources of them in our modern diets.

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by anotheryou »

pappyo wrote: post #87

Meat enthusiast here. There is no one who wants a viable meat alternative for meat eaters than me. The bleeding heart (pun intended) in me cares about the sustainability of meat and the sheer cost of ethical farming. Fact of the matter is though, I won't give up eating meat. I love it, so so much. And I have a leery eye towards meat substitutes. This product for example: - How well does this product replicate the Mai…

I think they try to do something similar to what the cow does when growing muscles (chaining proteins or whatever). So I think it browns the same.

Why chuck? Once this gets cheaper in production than meat burger, but still tastes exactly the same, the big fast-food chains might join the boat. So I guess they try to stay close to that.

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by lsaferite »

collyw wrote: post #84
ethanbond wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Carbohydrates in excessive amounts, yes. Meats and cheeses are basically the last bastions of non carb-laden foods. Pretty much everything that's not "diet" or meat/cheese is jam packed with carbs for flavor/cost cutting/fat reduction. And there's plenty of evidence that this is a bad thing.

Yes, everything is bad if taken excessively. I am asking is there any evidence that "normal" levels of carbs are especially bad?

Normal today or normal 200 years ago? Eating non-processed food is difficult for a large segment of the population of the US and many other parts of the world. Processed foods have drastically change our nutritional intake balances of the years. So 'normal' is something that should be defined.

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by faboo »

sevenless wrote: post #42
ergothus wrote: post #26

I've been a vegetarian for the last decade and change, and I simultaneously think that finding a cheaper, appealing alternative to meat is both a fantastic opportunity for the world and a really difficult thing. I used to love meat when I was a meat-eater, and I'm a fairly picky eater that dislikes many vegetable options. (Green peppers are nasty and food-destroying in my opinion, which immediately removes over half…

One potential problem: the heme that they're claiming gives it flavor comes from a genetically modified yeast. It's a GMO, and people who're vegan on principle often don't like that.

I'm a vegetarian on principle, and have no problem eating GMO anything.

OTOH, I've been vegetarian for 15 years and most meat flavors and textures have worn on me.

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by blacksmith_tb »

jonknee wrote: post #59
blacksmith_tb wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ground chuck roast is heavily subsidized; it would be surprising if any fake meat product could actually rival the energy and water costs needed to raise and process beef. So one solution would be to price both more fairly, in which case lots of consumers might be happier to choose the vegan option.

How exactly is ground chuck roast heavily subsidized? Is it any different than the subsidies for agriculture that make up meat alternatives?

They are both subsidized, clearly - but since it takes 8lbs / 3.6kg of grain to produce 1lb / 0.45kg of beef [1], and the livestock then receive additional subsidies [2], the effect is magnified.

1: https://alumni.stanford.edu/get/page/magazine/article/?artic... 2: https://farm.ewg.org/progdetail.php?fips=00000&progcode=live...

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by tobr »

There seems to be a lot happening in this area lately.

There's a new soy based meat substitute called Oumph, which I believe is only available here in Sweden so far. The texture and taste is fantastic. It's the first time I've tried a meat immitation where I don't just feel like I should have gone for the real thing. I'm not a vegetarian but I've actually found myself buying it more often than real meat lately.

It wouldn't work in a burger though - it's more chicken or pork like.

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by CocaKoala »

nicklo wrote: post #100
ergothus wrote: post #26

I've been a vegetarian for the last decade and change, and I simultaneously think that finding a cheaper, appealing alternative to meat is both a fantastic opportunity for the world and a really difficult thing. I used to love meat when I was a meat-eater, and I'm a fairly picky eater that dislikes many vegetable options. (Green peppers are nasty and food-destroying in my opinion, which immediately removes over half…

Do you not find it unethical to serve your in-laws fake meat without informing them? Wouldn't you be upset if your in-laws served you seitan that was actually chicken? *edit: I bring this up because many people do not react well to meat substitutes. Gluten and soy intolerance affects many people and serving soy or gluten-based meat substitutes without prior informed consent can induce adverse reactions. I do believe…

If his inlaws have expressed a definite desire to not eat vegetables, then you're correct that it would be unethical.

Most people don't do that. It seems reasonable to assume (until established otherwise) that his inlaws have not done that.

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by bradbeattie »

nightski wrote: post #99
bradbeattie wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in the same camp as you. Vegetarian since 1989, vegan since 1999. I can certainly say that the quality of fake meats has drastically improved in the past 10 years (see https://gardein.com/ , http://fieldroast.com/ , and http://beyondmeat.com/ as examples), but the stigma surrounding them persists. Short anecdote: There's a donut shop in my town that sold vegan and regular donuts in adjacent but separate displays.…

It's not just taste. These alternatives are loaded with carbs and just aren't practical for a low carb diet. This is coming from someone who eats a ton of fiber loaded vegetables. It's really hard to find a reasonable substitute for meat proteins that is as efficient and delicious as meat. Protein is not a huge portion of my diet, but it is very important.

Seitan does a really good job of heavier texture, low carb, high protein (so long as you're not celiac).

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by pappyo »

anotheryou wrote: post #102
pappyo wrote: post #87

Meat enthusiast here. There is no one who wants a viable meat alternative for meat eaters than me. The bleeding heart (pun intended) in me cares about the sustainability of meat and the sheer cost of ethical farming. Fact of the matter is though, I won't give up eating meat. I love it, so so much. And I have a leery eye towards meat substitutes. This product for example: - How well does this product replicate the Mai…

I think they try to do something similar to what the cow does when growing muscles (chaining proteins or whatever). So I think it browns the same. Why chuck? Once this gets cheaper in production than meat burger, but still tastes exactly the same, the big fast-food chains might join the boat. So I guess they try to stay close to that.

I know why chuck, I was just being snarky. :)

I'm not going to sit here and pretend to know what, the good people of Impossible Foods, are doing. Way over my head. What I do know is recreating nature is hard work, with limited success.

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by rdl »

Awesome! If this is close to meat in macronutrient profile (no carb, protein/fat based), I'd be fine switching >90% of my ground beef consumption to it as soon as commercially available as long as it is less than $10/pound (cheaper would be better, though).

Even if a great steak is still better/worth eating, no one will say that fast food hamburger patties, taco bell mystery meat, etc. are in any way exemplars of amazing meat. If an animal is going to die for me to eat, it should be something like steak, not the lowest quality ground beef possible.

They're really smart going after the carnivore market.

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