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China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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Re: China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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Post by snnn »

brador wrote: post #82
kweks wrote: post #29

I was there literally three days ago. The place is nothing short of breathtaking. Nestled at 4200km, it was a three day motorbike ride from Chengdu. Even at its foothills, you have no concept of the scale of the town hiding in the hills. This will truly be a tragic loss - the town is much more than the 'slum' it is represented as - it's arguably the most important Buddhist learning institution in the world.. Photos f…

It looks amazing, but it's still a slum. Unsafe structures, little to no policing, no sanitation or hygiene. Rebuilding would destroy the history, but probably be better overall for the people living there.

I haven't seen any policeman at there. They are poor because their only income is donation. They are students without families. Even they have a new place, it won't change.

Re: China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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giardini wrote: post #92
jacquesm wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> are you implying that trade with China is more important for the entire western world than international trade with the all the west is to China? Yes, we are utterly co-dependent at this point in time. Cutting trade with China would take a decade or more if it can be done at all at this stage.

"Cutting trade with China would take a decade or more if it can be done at all at this stage." But I could finally buy decent pliers made in the USA, like I once could 25 years ago.

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Re: China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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Post by kweks »

biswaroop wrote: post #74
kweks wrote: post #29

I was there literally three days ago. The place is nothing short of breathtaking. Nestled at 4200km, it was a three day motorbike ride from Chengdu. Even at its foothills, you have no concept of the scale of the town hiding in the hills. This will truly be a tragic loss - the town is much more than the 'slum' it is represented as - it's arguably the most important Buddhist learning institution in the world.. Photos f…

Wow incredible pictures. Also, 4200km is in the exosphere: I think you mean 4200m :)

I think you're correct :D

Re: China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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Post by kweks »

yashinm92 wrote: post #86
kweks wrote: post #29

I was there literally three days ago. The place is nothing short of breathtaking. Nestled at 4200km, it was a three day motorbike ride from Chengdu. Even at its foothills, you have no concept of the scale of the town hiding in the hills. This will truly be a tragic loss - the town is much more than the 'slum' it is represented as - it's arguably the most important Buddhist learning institution in the world.. Photos f…

Love the photos! Could you share info on what gear you used?

Thanks! Shot on a Canon 5D, with a very battered 70-200L F4, and a 16-35 F2.8.

Have a selection from the smartphone that came out very nicely too, surprisingly!

Re: China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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Post by corybrown »

kweks wrote: post #29

I was there literally three days ago. The place is nothing short of breathtaking. Nestled at 4200km, it was a three day motorbike ride from Chengdu. Even at its foothills, you have no concept of the scale of the town hiding in the hills. This will truly be a tragic loss - the town is much more than the 'slum' it is represented as - it's arguably the most important Buddhist learning institution in the world.. Photos f…

Fantastic photos, thank you for sharing

Re: China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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Post by cscurmudgeon »

auganov wrote: post #27
bhouston wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China : Tibet :: Israel : Palestine, they are analogous in many ways. The human rights groups talk about the problems, we recognize it is bad, the weaker ethnic community suffers and is oppressed, the more powerful ethnic group makes slow but steady progress in exerting its wishes, and no real changes are effected by the international community.

Isn't that the nature of almost every conflict with an ethnic context? If there's no clear weaker and stronger you usually end up with two independent states. The way Tibet was Incorporated into China, the nature of the Tibetan resistance, the way China governs Tibet, the reason China wants Tibet, the reason China represses Tibetans are all very very different from what's happening in Judea and Samaria. The Israeli A…

> India's Jammu and Kashmir

Except there was no ethnic cleansing by the Tibetans like in Kashmir.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing_of_Kashmiri_H...

Re: China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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Post by cscurmudgeon »

coldtea wrote: post #95
nsomaru wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Renunciation is defined with reference to your mental attitude towards possessions, not the presence or absence thereof. See, for example the 'Royal Sage' (Raja Rshi).

Hypocrisy though is defined by "the presence or absence thereof".

That is a Western view of things where spiritual and material realms are different. Dharmic religions consider the spiritual realm to be a superset of the material, not separate from it.

Re: China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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Post by ZanyProgrammer »

gumby wrote: post #34
sintaxi wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Under what legal authority does that cap exist?

China is the colonial power; that's all the authority required. Note that China did the same to the Han majority as well, for example in the destruction of the Hutongs in the major cities such Beijing this century, not to mention the destruction of the temples 70 years ago during the communist revolution. When I read this context-free article all I could think of was Henry VIII's destruction and confiscation of the m…

Except Henry VIII destroyed all monasteries and outlawed all monasticism in his realms. I'm sure there are Buddhist monasteries and seminaries (or whatever they are called) elsewhere in Tibet and China.

Re: China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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Post by iofj »

coldtea wrote: post #79
douche wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China and Tibet is more like what would have happened if the Arab Legion and the other Arab powers weren't so blindingly incompetent in 1947. There's a long, long history of China controlling Tibet, back at least to the Tang dynasty. The ChiComs are nastier about it than most of the previous Chinese governments, but that's what you get when you refute the old mandate of heaven/chakravartin mashup of political legitim…

The same legitimacy every other large government has. At least they only piss in their own pool -- not mess with peoples all around the world.

You may want to visit Africa. The time China was insulated to it's own people only is long gone.

Re: China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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Post by intended »

snnn wrote: post #90
jmknoll wrote: post #69

Your account has been active for 5 years. You should be aware that racism and non-constructive comments are not really acceptable here.

Sorry, I edited the reply and removed the description of shower. My remark was not meant as a slight on them. I just want to show you what I know about them. Most people do not have a chance to see how poor Chinese lives, because the information you can get is controlled by China propaganda machine. Beautiful Beijing, huge international airport, rich buyers. Even you already have a Chinese Visa, you can't travel to T…

Yes? They would get a better human right record eventually?

Firstly - China doesn't have a great human rights record right now. They have an excellent economy.

The earlier communists themselves have one of the worst human rights records.

And you don't "convince" anybody. You let them choose for themselves. Without that part - without being able to choose a bad choice, people can't learn from those mistakes.

You think the west learnt from someone else? People learn from their history and their context.

Remove that from them and well - you remove their ability to have their own identity and history.

Rights can only be understood by the masses after they have examples, leaders, or history which they can translate/relate to.

Thats why India has Gandhi, South Africa has Mandela.

Its very obvious whats happening here, civilization is being brought to the savages.

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