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Re: Crying

#101
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So your recipe for, "emotional success" is to not be affected by other people? Got it.

Is it really wrong though? Making your emotional state dependent on others is a terrible thing to do to yourself, because people can be fickle and change. Emotional independence is tremendously helpful for emotional well-being.

"To love at all is to be vulnerable. Love anything, and your heart will certainly be wrung and possibly be broken. If you want to make sure of keeping it intact, you must give your heart to no one, not even to an animal. Wrap it carefully round with hobbies and little luxuries; avoid all entanglements; lock it up safe in the casket or coffin of your selfishness. But in that casket - safe, dark, motionless, airless – it will change. It will not be broken; it will become unbreakable, impenetrable, irredeemable. The alternative to tragedy, or at least to the risk of tragedy, is damnation. The only place outside Heaven where you can be perfectly safe from all the dangers and perturbations of love is Hell."

- C.S. Lewis, The Four Loves

Yeah, you can get hurt. For sure, be wise about who you become emotionally dependent on. But not having your emotions entangled with another's is to miss one of the great joys of being alive.

Re: Crying

#102
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I have found that emotional stoicism elicits are far greater response in nearly all people. Emotional people are unpredictable, and unpredictability is a turn-off for most rational and stable people (who I like to surround myself with). Depending on your goals in life, being "the rock" typically gets you better long-term social results.

> being "the rock" typically gets you better long-term social results. It's also really fucking exhausting.

I find it the opposite. Now I do get fired up about certain things (I'm not dead inside), but I've found that ever since I stopped getting emotional during things like arguments, they've become far easier and even more enjoyable.

Try getting into a "defcon-4" style argument yet don't raise your voice, don't change your tone or tempo, and don't worry about the outcome as much -- just maintain control of your emotions. It's amazing what happens and how the other party responds.

Re: Crying

#103
For me, crying was mostly related to lack of eating and working out, lack of sleep or from too much work. The triggers were real, relationship problems, work related issues, you name it. But as long as I eat well and work out, I can take on a lot of personal problems without crying.

Re: Crying

#104

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I have found that emotional stoicism elicits are far greater response in nearly all people. Emotional people are unpredictable, and unpredictability is a turn-off for most rational and stable people (who I like to surround myself with). Depending on your goals in life, being "the rock" typically gets you better long-term social results.

I disagree. I have a friend who is occasionally weepy, but often they cry with joy rather than sadness. They can see something beautiful and appreciate its beauty so deeply that it causes them to shed a tear of happiness. It's a wonderful thing to see. It's like they're more attuned to beauty that I can't perceive. Like how a high-sensitivity radio receiver can detect very faint signals that others can't. People are…

And I'll easily argue that Steve Jobs' emotional states made him miserable, well-hated, and ultimately it ended up killing him because he stubbornly took an extremely emotional physical situation and didn't approach it with a rock-like proper state of mind.

(Being stubborn and illogical = emotional in this sense)

As I said elsewhere, I'm not dead inside, I still see just as much beauty out in the woods as you do. I just don't lose my mind anymore in most situations.

Re: Crying

#105
What a great study! We engineers and rational-thinking oriented people tend to disregard how our emotions affect us on a daily basis.

Makes me wonder... Would I want a emotion tracker (app or hardware) which lets me study ME? Yes

Do I want it in the cloud or to be made money from? Not at all. An opening up of emotions opens me up to a lot of abuse.

Re: Crying

#106
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> being "the rock" typically gets you better long-term social results. It's also really fucking exhausting.

I find it the opposite. Now I do get fired up about certain things (I'm not dead inside), but I've found that ever since I stopped getting emotional during things like arguments, they've become far easier and even more enjoyable. Try getting into a "defcon-4" style argument yet don't raise your voice, don't change your tone or tempo, and don't worry about the outcome as much -- just maintain control of your emotions.…

Eh arguments, that's easy mode.

The exhausting part is being the rock when there's a crisis. When your spouse is freaking out about running out of money for rent. When rent is being raised and you have to figure out how to raise it less. When kids get injured and need the hospital.

Or when your team is freaking out because everything's going to shit and production is down and you're running out of time on features you promised to Big Users/Clients TM.

When everyone around you is panicking and freaking the fuck out, but somebody has to fix the situation. That's when being the rock matters.

Who even gives a shit about arguments? Arguing is for fun.

Re: Crying

#107

Notice how many cries are due to relationship-based issues. You are putting yourself at serious emotional risk if you allow your happiness to be driven by another person, regardless of who it is. IMHO, your emotional success should be based upon things you can control, and if it's not, then you need to make more rapid decisions as to who or what is allowed to take part in your life.

So your recipe for, "emotional success" is to not be affected by other people? Got it.

More or less. Set goals that are within your control - I find that mine are more tied to personal health, intellectual pursuit, and business. Not many people can affect those, but I sure can. Personal responsibility is a great thing.

Re: Crying

#108
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I am a big burly guy with a beard - and I get overwhelmed and cry regularly. Not even from sadness, just from general emotion. For example last night I watched the trailer for Overwatch[1] and got so excited I started tearing up. I don't know why, anything that triggers ANY sort of strong emotion in me brings it on. Always has. My wife makes fun of me for it. I don't see anything wrong with it. [1] https://www.youtub…

I cry so little my wife had me tested for Aspergers...and she was right. I tear up about once a year at most. Most of the time when I do start to get overwhelmed my first reaction is "WTF IS THIS?" and beat it down like a $2 mule. It isn't that I'm completely without emotions, but I really do have less than "normal" people.

Anyway, nice to hear about the experiences of others.

Re: Crying

#109
post #13

I am a big burly guy with a beard - and I get overwhelmed and cry regularly. Not even from sadness, just from general emotion. For example last night I watched the trailer for Overwatch[1] and got so excited I started tearing up. I don't know why, anything that triggers ANY sort of strong emotion in me brings it on. Always has. My wife makes fun of me for it. I don't see anything wrong with it. [1] https://www.youtub…

Serious question: what else happens around that time? How long does it take you to "recover" from a crying episode? Are you unable to perform other tasks during an episode? Etc. I'm genuinely curious because I've had some frustrating experiences with crying in the workplace / around work that seemed a bit unfair to me (at the time I was a young'n who still assumed "fairness" was a thing). Someone would cry at work an…

There are healthy ways to express your anger. Raising your voice at your coworkers is not one of them, and is out of line.

I can't think of a time when I've had to yell uncontrollably. I can think of many times when the only thing I was capable of doing was crying.

Re: Crying

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Since we all seem to be in a sharing mood... Also a guy -- no beard -- but (and I'm not joking here)... I watched that exact trailer just now and teared up a little. As for movies, I have two examples: Up (pure emotion) and The Fountain -- the scene towards the end where he talks to the high priest and Clint Mansell's music takes over. For me, I think it's generally sort of really EPIC things that do it. Really huge…

The Boy in the Striped Pajamas[1] I should have seen it coming but it was a freight train, never did a movie hit so hard like that. War though a child's eye is worse than the adult perspective of war. [1] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0914798/

Grave of the Fireflies http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095327/
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