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Re: Sunrise is shutting down

#101

Post by wglb »

Velox wrote: post #78
rayiner wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is that Outlook for iOS uses a cloud service that talks to the Exchange server and stores your credentials/data: https://blog.winkelmeyer.com/2015/01/warning-microsofts-outl... . So logging in involves giving Microsoft (and indirectly Amazon, since it runs on AWS), clear-text access to your information.

Your credentials aren't stored in clear text. They are encrypted with a key only your device has.

So how do these creds get to the exchange server from the cloud?

Re: Sunrise is shutting down

#102

Post by toomuchtodo »

toyg wrote: post #94
toomuchtodo wrote: post #18

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> it's a little pricy We should appreciate when its pricey. That's motivation for the product to continue to exist. Otherwise, "OurIncredibleJourney".

I agree but the current model is broken. I buy FantastiCal, don't like it, I've just thrown money down the toilet. Yeah yeah you can go through iTunes and get it back but that feels like a dick move, and how many actually know the procedure anyway? It's not exactly advertised. I throw a quid down the toilet? That's fine, I don't mind. I throw a fiver or a tenner? Woah dude, that's like, a Starbucks latte! Totally dif…

> I throw a quid down the toilet? That's fine, I don't mind. I throw a fiver or a tenner? Woah dude, that's like, a Starbucks latte! Totally different (or not, but hey, that's what it feels like).

http://theoatmeal.com/blog/apps

Re: Sunrise is shutting down

#103

Post by untog »

Mithaldu wrote: post #48
untog wrote: post #44

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But who's to say that's what they intended at the start? They may well have entirely expected to make it a successful startup, only to find themselves unable to make the profit required to do so, so they got acquihired. If you wanted to use an app with open source and a permanent future you should have installed an open source app. Installing a closed source app created by a business and depending on them open sourci…

I don't even use it and keep away from software like this. I just recognize the morality involved. But hey, thanks for going the expected route. :)

> I don't even use it

Ah OK, so you don't have any skin in the game, you're just here to argue on the internet. Makes sense.

> thanks for going the expected route. :)

Which is to say that you're aware of viewpoints alternative to your own, but you have no interest in hearing them out, you just want to shout until you win.

If that's what you need to get through your day, congratulations on your great victory.

Re: Sunrise is shutting down

#104

Post by rayiner »

SilasX wrote: post #93
rayiner wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is that Outlook for iOS uses a cloud service that talks to the Exchange server and stores your credentials/data: https://blog.winkelmeyer.com/2015/01/warning-microsofts-outl... . So logging in involves giving Microsoft (and indirectly Amazon, since it runs on AWS), clear-text access to your information.

So? You have no expectation of privacy in email anyway, right?

My Exchange server is 15 feet down the hall. When I use a normal Exchange client, the only people who can see my data in clear-text are myself and my employer (who owns the Exchange server). Anyone in-between just sees an encrypted stream. But when I use Outlook for iOS, people I've never met at Amazon and Microsoft can see my email.

I think the former situation creates a legitimate expectation of privacy. I think the latter situation does not. Which is why I use Apple Mail instead of Outlook for iOS.

Re: Sunrise is shutting down

#105

Post by Mithaldu »

untog wrote: post #103
Mithaldu wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't even use it and keep away from software like this. I just recognize the morality involved. But hey, thanks for going the expected route. :)

> I don't even use it Ah OK, so you don't have any skin in the game, you're just here to argue on the internet. Makes sense. > thanks for going the expected route. :) Which is to say that you're aware of viewpoints alternative to your own, but you have no interest in hearing them out, you just want to shout until you win. If that's what you need to get through your day, congratulations on your great victory.

> Which is to say

Nope, i expected you to attempt victim blaming. But hey, jumping to more conclusions is not unexpected either.

Re: Sunrise is shutting down

#106

Post by pedalpete »

PascalsMugger wrote: post #99

I'm sure this has been asked and answered before, but why do companies acquire startups just to shut their product down within a year so often? Is this just an acquihire? Or do big tech companies just play whack-a-mole with startups, buying any out with interesting products just to make sure they don't one day turn into competition?

For the $100+ millions Microsoft payed,they got the team, the tech and the opportunity to move the sunrise users to use their products.

Sunrise best capabilities are likely being built into outlook, they have a team that they know can execute and a percentage of sunrise users will move to outlook.

I only installed sunrise last week (when I moved to Android) but I found it a bit odd that I was using a different calendar app. I came from Windows Phone where messaging and calendar was baked in really nicely. So far my Android experience isn't as good but maybe outlook with sunrise will complete this circle for me.

Re: Sunrise is shutting down

#108

Post by SilasX »

rayiner wrote: post #104
SilasX wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So? You have no expectation of privacy in email anyway, right?

My Exchange server is 15 feet down the hall. When I use a normal Exchange client, the only people who can see my data in clear-text are myself and my employer (who owns the Exchange server). Anyone in-between just sees an encrypted stream. But when I use Outlook for iOS, people I've never met at Amazon and Microsoft can see my email. I think the former situation creates a legitimate expectation of privacy. I think th…

Something visible to anyone in your employer's management -- hence work email in general -- doesn't have an expectation of privacy.

Re: Sunrise is shutting down

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Post by capote »

willwhitney wrote: post #6

Once a startup gets bought, I look for alternatives. If they don't shut down, I still learned something new! But usually they do. In this case, I landed on Fantastical [1] — it's a little pricy but completely worth it. (Mac/iOS only.) [1]: https://flexibits.com/fantastical

Do you exclusively use software made by startups?

Re: Sunrise is shutting down

#110

Post by zuccs »

willwhitney wrote: post #6

Once a startup gets bought, I look for alternatives. If they don't shut down, I still learned something new! But usually they do. In this case, I landed on Fantastical [1] — it's a little pricy but completely worth it. (Mac/iOS only.) [1]: https://flexibits.com/fantastical

I made the same switch as you. However, no Android app, and no plans of Flexibits ever making one, is making this transition hard! Any suggestions?
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