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Re: TTIP Leaks

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Post by GordonS »

mangeletti wrote: post #77

There is little excuse[1] for such a website to not employ TSL encryption of all traffic. I can't even imagine the size of the TLA database containing : records at this point. 1. https://letsencrypt.org/

TLS does not hide your IP address or that of the hosting server. If the powers that be want to know if you've visitied ttip-leaks.org, they will know regardless of whether TLS was employed.

As an aside, many web servers also log details of GET and POST requests - e.g. the visitor's IP address and the page they visited.

Re: TTIP Leaks

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Post by JPKab »

tommyman wrote: post #9

So business groups and lobbyists for companies like IBM, Apple, Google et al. are deeply involved in the US side of negotiations (far more than any public interest groups). Then on the EU side, business groups and lobbyists for companies like IBM, Apple, Google et al. are deeply involved in negotiations to the detriment of all public groups. So this is really lots of big US companies negotiating with themselves on ho…

"So this is really lots of big US companies negotiating with themselves on how to screw over Europe."

Let me change this for you to something more accurate:

So this is really lots of big multinational corporations negotiating with themselves on how to screw over working people throughout the world.

When you start tuning this into "US companies screwing over Europe", you play right into their hands. As if there aren't dozens of European corporations screwing us all over right now. Until recently, I owned a diesel VW that spewed poison into the air every time I drove it, thanks to a bunch of German executives who valued profit over air quality. This goes beyond borders.

Re: TTIP Leaks

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Post by legulere »

RobertoG wrote: post #73
jcfrei wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is with all the tinfoil hat conspiracies in here? Can we please resume to a rational discussion?

OK, let's go to the facts: 1. A treaty is negotiated between the two major markets in the world. 2. We know that when this kind of treaties are passed is almost impossible to go back. 3. We know that the most important input to those treaties come from corporations. 4. The conversations happen in secret. 5. The democratic representatives are not allowed to read the treaty except in a hurry and without legal help. 6.…

Some further facts:

- the treaty tries to abolish market regulation differences between the two markets

- costumer protection regulations between the US and the EU are incompatible

- In the US often e.g. chemicals are allowed until proven hazardous, in the EU they are outlawed until proven harmless

- the tribunals will operate outside the normal juridical systems of the US and the EU

Re: TTIP Leaks

#104

Post by alanwatts »

tommyman wrote: post #9

So business groups and lobbyists for companies like IBM, Apple, Google et al. are deeply involved in the US side of negotiations (far more than any public interest groups). Then on the EU side, business groups and lobbyists for companies like IBM, Apple, Google et al. are deeply involved in negotiations to the detriment of all public groups. So this is really lots of big US companies negotiating with themselves on ho…

>So this is really lots of big US companies negotiating with themselves on how to screw over Europe.

What exactly do you mean by US companies? Corporations like Apple and Google are not sovereign to any nation, they are super-sovereign, hence their ability to do what you are saying.

Re: TTIP Leaks

#105

Post by legulere »

lifeisstillgood wrote: post #53
msvan wrote: post #49

Cecilia Malmström, European Commissioner for Trade, on the documents: > First of all, and contrary to what many seem to believe, so-called "consolidated texts" in a trade negotiation are not the same thing as an outcome. They reflect each side's negotiating position, nothing else. [...] In that sense, many of today's alarmist headlines are a storm in a teacup. [...] No EU trade agreement will ever lower our level of…

This is probably the most important takeaway In most cases TTIP raised the level of consumer protection to the highest on whatever side of the pond was already best (for example Americans see European chicken as raised in shot basically do our chicken farmers will have to up the game (assuming battery hens is something we think is a high standard anyway) As for beef, Germans think the US do beef like we do chickens.…

It will probably lead to the abolishment of the precautionary principle in the EU, so less protection of the consumers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precautionary_principle

Re: TTIP Leaks

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Post by mac01021 »

grecy wrote: post #33
tommyman wrote: post #9

So business groups and lobbyists for companies like IBM, Apple, Google et al. are deeply involved in the US side of negotiations (far more than any public interest groups). Then on the EU side, business groups and lobbyists for companies like IBM, Apple, Google et al. are deeply involved in negotiations to the detriment of all public groups. So this is really lots of big US companies negotiating with themselves on ho…

> This is a takeover attempt through the backdoor. In case it wasn't already immensely obvious, the third world war has been underway for some time. This one isn't a war fought with guns and bombs, it's a war fought with information, deals and economies. See China's massive economy and ownership of the US, the massive drop in oil price and what that's done to the world economy etc. The citizens of the world wouldn't…

> China's massive economy

How is having a massive economy an act of aggression?

Re: TTIP Leaks

#107

Post by callcallcall »

Instead of complaining into the echo chamber of comments, do something actionable and call your representatives, it takes 2 minutes. Cynics will say that calling has no value but they forget how we beat SOPA in 2012 and protected Net Neutrality in 2014

Call your Reps: http://TryVoices.com (it takes 2 minutes)

Re: TTIP Leaks

#109

Post by vasilipupkin »

maxxxxx wrote: post #95
misja111 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's because of some conspiracy that EU leaders like Merkel favor TTIP. They probably think it's the right way to go, because TTIP will make EU's economy grow. (See for example http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/html/151787.htm ) And it is obvious that major internationals on both sides will be the ones that benefit most from the cuts in government regulations proposed by TTIP. So a substantial portion of…

That's the real problem. The term "economy" has been captured by big corporations. When I grew up in Germany the economy was supposed to be a benefit to all participants and a balance had to be achieved. Now the economy is supposed to be fine as long as big business is happy. The regular citizen doesn't count anymore. TTIP is just the final expression of this. Whatever I hear only lobbyists have been involved. No oth…

I'd like to point out that German economy and by extension, regular Germans, heavily depend on exports to the US. So, reducing frictions in trade between US and Europe should make regular Germans better off not worse off. How do you suppose German economy works ?

Re: TTIP Leaks

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Post by witty_username »

legulere wrote: post #94
witty_username wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> May be there's less violence, but the amount of suffering has skyrocketed over the years. A more than significant amount of people are dependent on tranquilizers and anti-depressants to make their life bearable, because for them it has become mundane and meaningless without. Citation? I haven't heard of anyone who is dependent on tranquilizers or anti-depressants (well, apart from the Internet from people with clin…

The first thing I found on duckduckgo: http://www.webmd.com/depression/news/20111019/use-of-antidep... "About 11% of Americans aged 12 or older take antidepressants" (2011) "the rate of antidepressant use in the U.S. has increased nearly 400% since 1988." Many people that are on anti-depressants won't tell you about it. edit: Really? Downvote me just because I provided a source to the claim that more people are on an…

Probably due to higher diagnosis and superior antidepressants (so patients are more likely to be prescribed).

Rate of antidepressant use isn't a good proxy for mental illnesses.

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