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Snowden Seeks Assurance from Norway It Won’t Extradite Him

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It would look really bad for Russia if Snowden was held against his will.

They would care you think?

Actually the better question is why would they care about Snowden leaving (or not leaving) Russia? Or why wouldn't Putin let Snowden leave? Snowden is a minor liability for Russia.

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#102

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It's also free on WSJ when you come in with a Google referer. Google search for "wall street journal snowden assurance" worked for me.

I use the "web" link below the title for that ;-) (Didn't want to be snarky just friendly)

Well, TIL :)

Re: Snowden Seeks Assurance from Norway It Won’t Extradite Him

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I think if the US can have a President's plane redirected, forced to land, and searched, with that President on it, they wouldn't have much trouble getting Norway to look the other way for a few minutes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden#Morales_plane_i...

Sadly, I have to agree. In Germany, some people demand that the government should offer Snowden asylum, but while I would appreciate the gesture (not that the government would seriously consider doing something like that), if I were in Snowden's place, I would not set foot in a country that is so deeply in bed with the USA (not to mention the US military bases in Germany).

Which does not leave many places where Snowden could go and be safe.

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#105
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Whatever we can speculate about the ifs and hows of this situation, let's keep in mind that incredibly courageous people like Snowden have to endure what they endure because people like us, citizens, don't seem to stand up to corrupt governments anymore.

From a recent interview with Snowden by Reason magazine

    I mean again, this sort of political direction gets
    beyond my expertise so I don’t like to talk too much    
    about. You know you brought up an interesting point   
    there about Russia that I think is actually important   
    to contextualize. There’s a lot of fair criticism 
    that’s like, “Hey, this guy’s in Russia.”

    It’s important to understand that I never intended to     
    end up in Russia. Originally I was hoping to get to   
    Iceland. After that, Latin America when Iceland fell 
    through. But the State Department cancelled my  
    passport, trapping me in Russia when I was initially on 
    the move, as soon as they heard I was in the air.    
    Despite the fact that I’ve asked several times, they’ve  
    refused to reinstate it, which is quite interesting. 
    The United States of course criticizes me for being in 
    Russia but at the same time they won’t let me leave.
Full arcticle here http://reason.com/archives/2016/02/25/edward-snowden/

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Would Putin even let him leave Russia?

It would look really bad for Russia if Snowden was held against his will.

Currently Snowden have permanent residency for 3 years (as another country citizen), with right to leave RF for three months (if longer, permanent residency can be repealed). [1]https://www.justlanded.com/english/Russia/Russia-Guide/Visas...

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#107
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How hard does the US government want him back, now that the cat is out of the bag? Obviously, the US don't want to appear "soft" on the matter - the interest of the administration is to avoid future whistleblowers by having a tough posture. But Snowden has a pretty massive following worldwide, on a scale that Assange and Chelsea Manning don't have. Wouldn't a trial be a terrible PR move, on top of raising embarrassin…

At this stage I'm certain one of three things will happen if the US can get a hold of him: 1) he will be secretly disappeared in a way that gives the US plausible deniability. 2) he will die in an "accident". 3) he will be taken to trial and put away for life, most likely in solitary confinement ("for his own safety"). It is obvious nobody actually cares about the activities of the NSA and their legality at this poin…

1) Would demand a lot of creativity. "Plausible deniability" when you are the prime suspect is hard to achieve. 2) I don't believe that for a second. Not because the US are not willing to kill people, but because of the level of scrutiny. 3) He would certainly go to trial. I don't know how that'd turn out, but I don't see that advancing the political career of anyone (that said, I'm not American, maybe I'm misjudging the American public).

Re: Snowden Seeks Assurance from Norway It Won’t Extradite Him

#108

One thing yo remember is Norway isnt partnof NATO, which makes quite a bit of difference in this. Still not sure what the end result will be, but good luck to Snowden and I hope Norway does it. If only so I dont have to hear any more ignoramouses talk about how Snowden went to Russia on purpose.

Sorry everyone, I was wrong about that as is pretty obvious. I was remembering the story about google building a datacenter in Finland confused it with Norway.

Re: Snowden Seeks Assurance from Norway It Won’t Extradite Him

#109
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post #40

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Possibility, yes, but realistically no. I don't see them kidnapping him as a way to bring him before US courts. If I were him I'd be a little more worried about local gangs with little to do and one too many crazy ideas knowing who he is and trying to kidnap him and avail him at some price.

What makes you think he would be brought before US courts if he were kidnapped? Given the US intelligence services' track record it's far more likely a kidnapping would result in his disappearance -- alive or not.

I'm aware that the US doesn't always make the best geopolitical decisions, but alienating every single European ally you have in order to eliminate one high profile, non-dangerous violator of official secrets acts seems like a fairly unlikely course of action for them to take...

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The drive would take less than three days each way[1]. Spring is upon us, and the temperatures en-route currently straddle the freezing point[2][3]. [1] https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/Moscow,+Russia/Oslo,+Norwa... [2] https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=weather+olderfjord [3] https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=murmansk+weather+10+day+fo...

He could also fly to Murmansk and cut the drive in half. Personally I'd fly to Murmansk, drive a couple of hours to Kirkenes, and spend a few lovely days taking the boat down the coast to Bergen before grabbing a train to Oslo.

I don't think ocean travel is safe for him at this point. Many things can happen on a small boat in the Atlantic at night.
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