What's next, whores say they wont provide prostitution to a state that bans prostitution? "You can't fire me, I quit!"
seems like a faulty comparison.
Porn site xHamster blocks North Carolina users to protest anti-LGBT law
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Re: Porn site xHamster blocks North Carolina users to protest anti-LGBT law
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
What I haven't seen discussed is the real objection going on is that NC insists you use the bathroom as defined by your birth certificate, and you can change that post-op. So people think that's too onerous, so what _should_ the standard be? Should you simply file something stating you are whatever gender? Do you have to present as the gender to some degree? Who decides if you are doing it enough? Etc.
The answer is that there is no need for any legal standard at all . I think the problem (illustrated nicely by your comment) is that, in reality, gender is too complex and varied to be adequately addressed by this sort of legislation. While its easy enough to this sort of law to work properly 95% of the time, its hard to come up with a real legal test that doesn't leave some percentage of people marginalized and lega…
>(Bearing in mind, of course, that in the extremely
>rare event that someone really does stroll into
>the wrong bathroom for voyeuristic purposes,
>or to sexually assault someone, we already have
>laws to punish those people.)
How would this work in your example? What could prevent me from saying I'm gender fluid and walk into the women's showers at the gym?
If we're ready to take the step to say that there is no gender binary then we kind of have to go the whole way and flip to communal showers/bathrooms/dressing rooms etc. Reading your comment reminds me of the obscenity law debates in 1964 when Justice Potter Stewart said...
"I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography"], and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it,"
If we aren't ready to make the big leap to no recognized genders (which I would argue society at large is not ready for), then standards need to exist from a legal point of view in the mean time.
Re: Porn site xHamster blocks North Carolina users to protest anti-LGBT law
#103Re: Porn site xHamster blocks North Carolina users to protest anti-LGBT law
#104Assuming this is a positive development, I wonder where else xHamster is also blocking access - what about large parts of the Middle East and Africa?
Not necessary, those are blocking it themselves.
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
What makes that the fairest interpretation? There are trans people who look and act just like the gender they identify with. Letting them use the bathroom of the gender they identify with makes the most sense to me, not only for them, but for everyone else. Saying that genetics are what really matter and you have to use the bathroom determined by your chromosomes just seem lazy, not fair.
I'm not talking about the bathroom issue, but responding to your question about physical gender. I'm in favour of permissive laws about this and similar scenarios. The bigger problem here is things like so-called TERF (trans-exclusionary radical feminism) in which high profile feminists who display contempt for transgender people are unfairly lumped in with innocent people who are merely aware of the limitations of c…
My question was rhetorical, intended to point out the difficulty of even using that term in the first place.
Seems to me that the bigger problem is bigoted legislators who think it's OK to force their religious values on other people, not some group of radical feminists I've never even heard of before and who I'm guessing have very little power.
Re: Porn site xHamster blocks North Carolina users to protest anti-LGBT law
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
What I haven't seen discussed is the real objection going on is that NC insists you use the bathroom as defined by your birth certificate, and you can change that post-op. So people think that's too onerous, so what _should_ the standard be? Should you simply file something stating you are whatever gender? Do you have to present as the gender to some degree? Who decides if you are doing it enough? Etc.
The answer is that there is no need for any legal standard at all . I think the problem (illustrated nicely by your comment) is that, in reality, gender is too complex and varied to be adequately addressed by this sort of legislation. While its easy enough to this sort of law to work properly 95% of the time, its hard to come up with a real legal test that doesn't leave some percentage of people marginalized and lega…
Having no law at all and all unisex bathrooms is certainly a possible solution. It would be consistent but it would require people to get over certain hangups they may have.
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
Care to elaborate?
That a man entering a women's restroom is something to be feared of (!), that a woman's loyalty depends on somebody shielding her from strange men and that a husband's duty is to shield her By the same logic, mixed restrooms are dangerous.
this is the stance of the legislators. the point is to show they're fully in the "good intentions paving the road to hell" mode. they didn't want dudes in the ladies' room, so now they have dudes in the ladies' room.
Re: Porn site xHamster blocks North Carolina users to protest anti-LGBT law
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would also like to think like this but it is more complex issue. I see that there are at least 3 aspects: physiological comfort, hygiene and security. I think that your proposal falls into physiological comfort category but I am afraid that changing personal attitude does not change the other two aspects. So I would assume that women are a little better off with separate toilets in the given state of the society. W…
Let's break that down, then. What's the hygiene threat here? Transgender people know how to use the toilet just like cisgender people do. What's the security threat here? As the now popular meme notes, at least three Republican Congressmen have been arrested for lewd conduct in bathrooms. There don't seem to be any verifiable incidents of transgender folks doing nasty stuff in bathrooms warranting these laws.
Ok, so let me try this again: "who gives a fuck what's in the pants of the person in the next stall?"
The person in the next stall can be man, woman or whoever. But it actually does not matter who is in the next stall.
What matters is who was before you in the stall or who wants to (forcefully) get along with you into the stall.
If unisex toilets would increase the risks for people with woman physiology then I would be wary about forcing them into unisex toilets. The question of the feelings of the transgender people would be a secondary mater in this case.
Now if there would be no risks then I am all for the unisex toilets as combined floor area would make them more practical.
Re: Porn site xHamster blocks North Carolina users to protest anti-LGBT law
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let's break that down, then. What's the hygiene threat here? Transgender people know how to use the toilet just like cisgender people do. What's the security threat here? As the now popular meme notes, at least three Republican Congressmen have been arrested for lewd conduct in bathrooms. There don't seem to be any verifiable incidents of transgender folks doing nasty stuff in bathrooms warranting these laws.
Ok, so let me try this again: "who gives a fuck what's in the pants of the person in the next stall?" The person in the next stall can be man, woman or whoever. But it actually does not matter who is in the next stall. What matters is who was before you in the stall or who wants to (forcefully) get along with you into the stall. If unisex toilets would increase the risks for people with woman physiology then I would…
> What matters is who was before you in the stall or who wants to (forcefully) get along with you into the stall.
This is already a crime, and one the new anti-trans laws do nothing to combat (unless you intend to require a birth certificate or a pat-down to enter the bathroom).
> If unisex toilets would increase the risks for people with woman physiology then I would be wary about forcing them into unisex toilets.
Then demonstrate that they increase the risks. As I noted, there appears to be a larger risk of lewdness in bathrooms from Republican Congressmen than transgender individuals. There's certainly no epidemic of transgender folks assaulting people in bathrooms. If anything, transgender folks are generally the ones at risk of assault.
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#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because...?
if nothing else, the US tends to have fewer existential concerns diverting it's attention (economics, infrastructure, etc).
Seriously? I'll give you Africa of course, it makes sense. But the Middle East? Saudi Arabia, Qatar, etc? All these countries are almost literally wiping their ass with money.
My question got downvoted a lot, but I was quite serious. Why would the US be upheld to "higher standards" (whatever it means)? Are we supposed to believe in some form of American exceptionalism? And are we just talking about Africa or should the US have higher standards than, say, India, Australia, Italy and Argentina?
I just wanted to understand the parent comment.