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The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Post by AnkhMorporkian »

Someone1234 wrote: post #51
donutdan4114 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If anyone has any questions about starting a keto diet (high-fat, mid-protein, low-carb), feel free to ask. :) Cannot recommend it enough. It simply just works..

How expensive is it? I mean literally. A lot of these alternative diets seem to work but be far more expensive than eating crap, unless all you eat are veggies (which few like).

For one data point, I do it for about $70 a week, $100 if I'm splurging (a couple nice cuts of steak or something.) During lean times, I have gotten it as low as 30 bucks, but I wouldn't recommend that.

One surprising expense on keto is Lite salt. Your body doesn't retain fluid in ketosis, you'll lose 5-10 pounds the first week in just that, and so you need to increase your sodium and potassium intake significantly compared to a non-ketogenic diet. Lite salt is absolutely perfect for that, being a 50/50 mix of potassium and sodium. It adds about 10 bucks to my grocery bill a month but it's definitely worth it especially when starting out, to avoid the dreaded keto flu.

Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Post by dsmithatx »

jneal wrote: post #90
dpark wrote: post #81

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> Most people would have to run 10 miles per day to burn off the garbage they would eat in the morning (think of a young adult having an innocent bowl of cereal and OJ for breakfast) How big is your bowl of cereal? 10 miles of running would be >1000 Calories burned. I don't think I've ever consumed 1000 Calories of cereal and juice in a sitting. I'm also pretty sure most people are not eating 1000 Calories for a typi…

I'd say 1000 calories is a little much, but I think the original point here still stands. I don't have nutrition facts sitting right in front of me, but I do know often times cereal is given in very small quantities, like 130 calories per 3/4 cup. I'd say I used to eat around 3 cups of cereal each morning, so that's 520 calories not counting milk and OJ. The Milk is usually 1 cup, about 110 calories I believe. And 2…

Yes but, don't you only need to run to burn off the extra calories? If you stick to your ideal calorie intake why the need to run? If it's 2500 calories I'd think you only need that 8.5 miles of running when consuming 3350 daily calories.

Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Post by [deleted] »

mrfusion wrote: post #97
Diederich wrote: post #18

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Everything you said. I've been treating sugar as personal health enemy #1 for quite a few years now. Note: I am deeply addicted to sugar. It has been absurdly and embarrassingly hard for me to abstain from high sugar foods. I can eat a healthy, high-protein meal, and be full. Yet 30 minutes later, I will feel hungry again. But checking in with my stomach: still full. I can eat a few grams of sugar and feel instantly…

I started taking a probiotic and strangely lost all sugar cravings. I can send you the brand if you want to try it. I'd be curious if others get the same effect. Edit: I got so many emails I guess I'll just post it here: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00JEKYNZA/ Probably within 24 hours I noticed the effect which makes me kind of skeptical, maybe it's some kind of placebo effect, but I've noticed it many times, and…

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Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Post by Shengbo »

KingMob wrote: post #54
mtgx wrote: post #7

So when can we have stevia into all of our food?

Might be better to just curb the craving for sweetness. Study after study shows no effect of diet sodas vs regular sodas. While artificial sweeteners have a low glycemic index/load, they stimulate the release of related hormones like insulin and GLP-1. And insulin, if you recall, signals fat cells to suck up the energy and grow. So if you drink a diet soda, it might have no calories itself, but it's more likely to co…

I'm guessing they're downvoting you because you mentioned studies but provided no links, so here's one I found[1].

[1]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2892765/

Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Post by dpark »

jneal wrote: post #90
dpark wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most people would have to run 10 miles per day to burn off the garbage they would eat in the morning (think of a young adult having an innocent bowl of cereal and OJ for breakfast) How big is your bowl of cereal? 10 miles of running would be >1000 Calories burned. I don't think I've ever consumed 1000 Calories of cereal and juice in a sitting. I'm also pretty sure most people are not eating 1000 Calories for a typi…

I'd say 1000 calories is a little much, but I think the original point here still stands. I don't have nutrition facts sitting right in front of me, but I do know often times cereal is given in very small quantities, like 130 calories per 3/4 cup. I'd say I used to eat around 3 cups of cereal each morning, so that's 520 calories not counting milk and OJ. The Milk is usually 1 cup, about 110 calories I believe. And 2…

You used to eat 3 cups of cereal every morning? That's a lot of cereal. If I were hungry enough to eat that much cereal, I'd probably want something that felt more substantial (e.g. eggs, breakfast sandwich).

I mean, yes, it's totally possible to eat 1000 calories for breakfast. I still don't think it's typical. Why would you even want that OJ after eating 3 whole cups of cereal? Also, how do you not just end up hyperobese eating like this, assuming you're not just cutting the calories from a later meal. A 300-Calorie/day excess will put on nearly 40 pounds every year, and I'd expect anyone eating 1000 Calories for breakfast every day to either be very active or else be eating at least 300 Calories too many per day.

Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Post by ant6n »

donutdan4114 wrote: post #34
Diederich wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything you said. I've been treating sugar as personal health enemy #1 for quite a few years now. Note: I am deeply addicted to sugar. It has been absurdly and embarrassingly hard for me to abstain from high sugar foods. I can eat a healthy, high-protein meal, and be full. Yet 30 minutes later, I will feel hungry again. But checking in with my stomach: still full. I can eat a few grams of sugar and feel instantly…

I would suggest reading "Fat Chance: Beating the Odds Against Sugar, Processed Food, Obesity, and Disease" by Robert Lustig. He goes into the science behind sugary diets and why they are truly so addicting. I'm talking about, more addicting than cocaine.

That's a great title, and a fitting author's name (Lustig is German for funny).

Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Post by dsmithatx »

CalRobert wrote: post #93
donutdan4114 wrote: post #11

As someone who has shifted to a sugar-free, high-fat lifestyle (keto diet), I can attest to the fact that sugar really is the ultimate evil in terms of health and nutrition. I've lost about 100lbs in 2.5 years... The only thing that I really changed was doing a Keto diet. I've learned a lot about nutrition along the way, and it's amazing how bad nutrition info was when I was growing up.. Common Misconceptions I hear/…

It drove me crazy that people would damn near shame me in to drinking orange juice with breakfast. Might as well ahve been a slurpee. (Never mind that I skip breakfast 90% of the time anyway, and recent studies indicate this is just fine). Congrats on your accomplishment; long term weight loss is incredibly hard. I found the simplest way to do it was "eat low-calorie density foods, and only when you're hungry".

If it's fresh squeezed, not concentrated, and you drink a small amount it's probably the best source of potassium around. Even better than eating a banana I hear. I have heart palpitations when I get low potassium so, I eat a banana or have and orange to supplement.

Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Post by undersuit »

jedberg wrote: post #58

To everyone saying a Keto diet is great, a word of caution. Going Keto gave me kidney stones. I asked my mom, who's had both children and kidney stones, which pain was worse, and she said the pain was about the same, but at least with childbirth you get a few months warning -- stones just show up and give you excruciating pain. So it's great y'all are loosing weight (I did too!) but just be careful and drink a lot of…

Did going Keto give you kidney stones or were you always going to get kidney stones? Other people get kidney stones, are they on keto? When your mom got kidney stones was she also on keto?

I do agree though drink lots of water, it's good for you regardless of your diet.

Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Post by Ygg2 »

donutdan4114 wrote: post #34
Diederich wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything you said. I've been treating sugar as personal health enemy #1 for quite a few years now. Note: I am deeply addicted to sugar. It has been absurdly and embarrassingly hard for me to abstain from high sugar foods. I can eat a healthy, high-protein meal, and be full. Yet 30 minutes later, I will feel hungry again. But checking in with my stomach: still full. I can eat a few grams of sugar and feel instantly…

I would suggest reading "Fat Chance: Beating the Odds Against Sugar, Processed Food, Obesity, and Disease" by Robert Lustig. He goes into the science behind sugary diets and why they are truly so addicting. I'm talking about, more addicting than cocaine.

> I'm talking about, more addicting than cocaine.

Really? I'm on diet for Candida and sugars are a no-no. And the worst part was a week of headaches (that was in part caffeine induced). I haven't tried cocaine, but I imagine cocaine has more side effects than just that.

Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Post by tvon »

donutdan4114 wrote: post #16
donutdan4114 wrote: post #11

As someone who has shifted to a sugar-free, high-fat lifestyle (keto diet), I can attest to the fact that sugar really is the ultimate evil in terms of health and nutrition. I've lost about 100lbs in 2.5 years... The only thing that I really changed was doing a Keto diet. I've learned a lot about nutrition along the way, and it's amazing how bad nutrition info was when I was growing up.. Common Misconceptions I hear/…

If anyone has any questions about starting a keto diet (high-fat, mid-protein, low-carb), feel free to ask. :) Cannot recommend it enough. It simply just works..

Where do I start?
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