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Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf
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Re: Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf
#102White racists accept to mingle with non-white despite their beliefs, surely non-white can return the same curtesy?
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#103"Include all! White supremacists, non-white... If a few people (say non-white) feel uncomfortable and don't want to come, we're OK with that 100%! Everyone should feel included! Racists, homophobes... Respect the beliefs of everyone, like believing there is a god, or that white people are superior, or believing you are being discriminated, or believing people will insult you or assault you at a whim for who you are,…
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#104The choice quote is here -- "In the end, we all converged on the same opinion: that LambdaConf should focus on the behavior of attendees, rather than their belief systems." What you believe in, in everyday society, shouldn't matter either. It is how you treat others and if you do so with politeness and respect, you should expect the same in return.
Curtis Yarvin is a professed fascist who has written about his belief that some races are more suited to slavery than others. That _does_ matter; it makes large swaths of the potential talk audience (and other attendees) feel unwelcome. How can you engage in polite, respectful discussion with someone who believes that you're more suited to be a slave than a free man?
> Curtis Yarvin is a professed fascist who has written about his belief that some races are more suited to slavery than others.
Having read a good deal of his unqualified reservations, I wonder if you can source this quote for me please?
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#105White racists accept to mingle with non-white despite their beliefs, surely non-white can return the same curtesy?
Go to a Trump rally and tell this to a "Black Lives Matter" supporter, I dare you.
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
At what point does someone's routine vocal endorsement of racial superiority and advocation of violence become problematic? Or are we obligated to welcome these people into our conferences (workplaces? homes?) so long as they confine their exhortations to speech and only work to encourage others to perform the actual violence? The idea of a "Code of Belief" is a strawman -- the issue at hand is the expectation not of…
> At what point does someone's routine vocal > endorsement of racial superiority and advocation of > violence become problematic? The Americans have a whole load of case law around First Amendment rights, it would be worth familiarizing yourself with that for a few hundred years worth of considered thought. > Or are we obligated to welcome these people into > our conferences Well in this case, their conferences - he'…
> The Americans have a whole load of case law around First Amendment rights, it would be worth familiarizing yourself with that for a few hundred years worth of considered thought.
The First Amendment cannot prevent social ostracization.
Re: Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf
#107The choice quote is here -- "In the end, we all converged on the same opinion: that LambdaConf should focus on the behavior of attendees, rather than their belief systems." What you believe in, in everyday society, shouldn't matter either. It is how you treat others and if you do so with politeness and respect, you should expect the same in return.
Curtis Yarvin is a professed fascist who has written about his belief that some races are more suited to slavery than others. That _does_ matter; it makes large swaths of the potential talk audience (and other attendees) feel unwelcome. How can you engage in polite, respectful discussion with someone who believes that you're more suited to be a slave than a free man?
It's a technical conference, submission accepted on said merits.
If personal politics and beliefs are not apart of the talk, I don't care.
Polarizing of personal beliefs, unless specific personal actions are documented, is comparable to a witch hunt.
At least for me.
My own beliefs waver on the spectrum of Silicon Valley, yet I have concerns for outside options I have.
But, no, at a technical conference, if personal idealogy isn't part of the talk, that is your own issue and you need to deal with it.
With tensions in the world PCism needs to stop and individual accountability is more inportant, at least to me.
Re: Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf
#108The choice quote is here -- "In the end, we all converged on the same opinion: that LambdaConf should focus on the behavior of attendees, rather than their belief systems." What you believe in, in everyday society, shouldn't matter either. It is how you treat others and if you do so with politeness and respect, you should expect the same in return.
Curtis Yarvin is a professed fascist who has written about his belief that some races are more suited to slavery than others. That _does_ matter; it makes large swaths of the potential talk audience (and other attendees) feel unwelcome. How can you engage in polite, respectful discussion with someone who believes that you're more suited to be a slave than a free man?
It's a technical conference, submission accepted on said merits.
If personal politics and beliefs are not apart of the talk, I don't care.
Polarizing of personal beliefs, unless specific personal actions are documented, is comparable to a witch hunt.
At least for me.
My own beliefs waver on the spectrum of Silicon Valley, yet I have concerns for outside options I have.
But, no, at a technical conference, if personal idealogy isn't part of the talk, that is your own issue and you need to deal with it.
With tensions in the world PCism needs to stop and individual accountability is more inportant, at least to me.
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#109Well today in "tech", if you openly support a republican candidate, good luck being invited at tech events or conferences as a speaker. That's wrong of course and I say that as a non republican. The Tech industry has become so politicized positions that used to be seen as extreme are considered "normal". I mean how can an article such as this one can be deemed acceptable on a tech blog ? : https://archive.is/elvvc Re…
> Well today in "tech", if you openly support a republican candidate, good luck being invited at tech events or conferences as a speaker.
Don't worry. Tech is currently undergoing yet another tectonic shift, with the difference that this time it goes into the right direction.
Re: Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf
#110How many "problematic" views will you "no-platform" until your "safe space" is a personal hugbox with n=1?
Get over yourself a little and you'll see that the above is the ultimate consequence of your choices to exclude people.