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Re: Ask HN: Gmail alternatives?

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http://www.lavabit.com/ They (claim to) use some sort of encryption scheme such that they do not have access to the data on their own servers. I don't know enough about crypto to verify, but if your concern for moving away from Google is privacy and/or security, it's probably worth at least a cursory glance.

Here's the description. Can anyone tell us if this seems secure? http://lavabit.com/secure.html

Re: Ask HN: Gmail alternatives?

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Run your own mailserver. If you don't trust Google with your data, there's nobody else I would trust. There are plenty of open-source webmail apps if that matters to you.

There is a high possibility that Google's server is 10 times more secure than any average Joe's mail server. Even more secure than a security expert's server as well: http://www.darknet.org.uk/2009/08/dan-kaminsky-kevin-mitnick... Do you have time to manage and keep your server secure? Can you patch a new 0day in an hour, possibly not. On the other hand when men-in-black asks to Google yes they might give it away, wh…

I think fewer people are worried about their mail server being hacked as they are about Google deciding on their own initiative to release info willy-nilly, as they did with Buzz.

Re: Ask HN: Gmail alternatives?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

AuthSMTP is priced with a fixed number of "email From: addresses", but what they don't tell you on the pricing page is that you can add a whole domain (wildcard *@domain.com) and it just counts as one address. Looking at their pricing page it looks like you'd be out about $150-160 bucks per year. Up to you to decide if it's worth it, but hardly expensive in the normal sense of the word.

That works great until a spambot decides to start spamming @yourdomain.com

Isn't that what SPF is designed to protect? They'll never get through if you have a strict SPF record that lists AuthSMTP as the only email server for your domain.

Re: Ask HN: Gmail alternatives?

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Run your own mailserver. If you don't trust Google with your data, there's nobody else I would trust. There are plenty of open-source webmail apps if that matters to you.

so, here's my issues with hosting your own mail. it's probably the most difficult common internet service in the world to maintain. there are a litany of sysadmin tasks you must take care of before you even begin with the really tricky problems. the main reason is that e-mail is arguably the most critical of services. you can't afford to miss a critical e-mail, so its imperative it be incredibly robust and fault tolerant.

first you have to set up redundant hosts. preferably on different backbones in different colos, unless a majority of your gear is in one place. next you set up the software as secure as you can so there is a minimum window for 0-days and patching can be done in scheduled maintenance windows. then you set up your monitoring to notify you when something goes south, on both hosts. things like queue size checkers and threshold-based statistic alerts are handy.

next you set up your spam filtering. THIS IS HARD. i don't care what any old salty dog mail admin tells you, it is an arduous process to properly manage the filtering and blocking and unblocking etc of mail. for a small site, getting aol or yahoo to unblock your ip range may be a great feat. for a large site, 90% of your traffic will be spam and getting every legitimate mail is nearly impossible without subjecting your users to tons of crap.

the cost in money and time just to host some free webmail yourself is astronomical in comparison to putting up with an ad and a possible privacy violation from a free provider like yahoo or gmail. if you want your mail handled properly, pay a big e-mail provider to host it for you, or spend a lot moree time and money to do the same thing yourself.

Re: Ask HN: Gmail alternatives?

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post #51

Run your own mailserver. If you don't trust Google with your data, there's nobody else I would trust. There are plenty of open-source webmail apps if that matters to you.

I think the bigger question is if there are any open source webmail apps that can support Gmail-like usage. Setting up your own mailserver is easy. But getting a gmail-like experience is pretty hard. For example, I tried Roundcube a while back with my full Gmail mail dump. It tried to keep up, but there was just no way it was going to handle 2gb of mail going back years. I'd love to see something that either ran off…

As an alternate opinion, I have RoundCube set up as a webmail option for my IMAP server, and have about 2GB of stuff in about 20 different folders, a few folders have 5000 or more messages in them, and RC seems perfectly performant, almost as quick as my native IMAP client.

My biggest complaint with it is that doesn't have a threaded view for mailing lists, but I haven't found a webmail yet with proper threaded view either. Other than that, I think it's a great substitute for a native client when I'm not at home and don't feel like using my phone, or don't have a good data connection.

Re: Ask HN: Gmail alternatives?

#108

no-one has mentioned runbox - http://www.runbox.com/ that's who i was thinking of switching to (i want to be able to use google "anonymously", and it's tricky when also logged in to gmail). i scanned through the mail providers listed on wikipedia and that seemed the best. hosted in norway, iirc. surprised no-one else has mentioned it here, though.

Try scroogle for that; you can make it your default search engine in both Mozilla ... and Chrome!

Re: Ask HN: Gmail alternatives?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a high possibility that Google's server is 10 times more secure than any average Joe's mail server. Even more secure than a security expert's server as well: http://www.darknet.org.uk/2009/08/dan-kaminsky-kevin-mitnick... Do you have time to manage and keep your server secure? Can you patch a new 0day in an hour, possibly not. On the other hand when men-in-black asks to Google yes they might give it away, wh…

Absolutely, I use Google for pretty much everything and trust them implicitly. I don't believe that Google will leak anything that matters and think that the whole buzz furore is nonsense whipped up by people who had assumed privacy where there was little reasonable expectation of it. However, if, like the OP, you do not trust a major corporation with a near-immaculate record on data integrity and an industry-leading…

your contact list doesn't matter? it was leaked via buzz.

Re: Ask HN: Gmail alternatives?

#110
Here's a comparison of web mail providers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_webmail_providers

From that list I use fastmail.fm for outgoing (smtp). (Reasons of historical accident.) $5/year, no ads, satisfied so far.

Another alternative is to go the shared host route. Plus: you'll get a shell account without having to/being able to administer a virtual box (and mail server), it's just an account.

I've used pair.com for about 10 years to host my domain. Imap/pop access, or webmail. (Their webmail actually isn't that great, but it works.) Enthusiastic recommendation for pair.

Go register somewhere reputable (pairnic.com is good), then go host your domain somewhere (I like pair.com). Pairnic and pair are the same company, and conveniently integrated, but you can use either separately or not at all if you like. I get so many allowed email accounts with a minimal plan on pair.com that I don't bother remembering it anymore.

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