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Re: Samsung’s Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge

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The hardware quality of Samsung's flagship products has always been excellent. However the software issues make the price ridiculous. Good luck getting rapid Android updates for your carrier-modified Samsung Galaxy S7. I'm stuck with a T-Mobile Note 4 with 5.1.1.

My Galaxy S5 has been terrible since the 5.1 upgrade. I actually don't want any software updates. My phone used to be a fast nicely functioning phone and now it's a sluggish piece of trash that's unusable. Like just stick with the current phone software and give me security updates and that's it. I've tried factory resetting and uninstalling most apps (and a factory reset is a huge pain with 2-factor set up everywher…

Omg yes the experience resetting a phone with 2FA is hilariously bad. I get an SMS I can't read!

Although for me the factory reset did fix my post-upgrade performance failings... But I'm just using a moto g 2.

That said, the space gobbling is making 8GB stock in value-priced devices ludicrous. I can barely fit all the stock software, much less 3rd-party apps.

Thanks so much for not letting me uninstall hundreds of MB in international keyboards I'll never use - yay, pinyin.

Re: Samsung’s Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge

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The hardware quality of Samsung's flagship products has always been excellent. However the software issues make the price ridiculous. Good luck getting rapid Android updates for your carrier-modified Samsung Galaxy S7. I'm stuck with a T-Mobile Note 4 with 5.1.1.

> Good luck getting rapid Android updates for your carrier-modified Samsung Galaxy S7. I'm stuck with a T-Mobile Note 4 with 5.1.1. Is this still true? This article seems to suggest Samsung is more committed to OS updates http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-makes-good-its-promise-reve...

I had an S3 which never received a single update; was on Android 4.1.2 until I finally replaced the phone recently.

I suspect it was my carrier's fault (Spark NZ) not Samsung. After that experience I switched to Nexus 6P, and won't be using any phone in which the carrier gets to install any kind of software :)

Re: Samsung’s Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge

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well there are two areas to my incredible claim :) first is that the battery easily lasts me 2 days sometimes into a 3rd day if I use it a little less than normal. however I only ever charge it for 15-20 minutes and in that time the fast charge gets me back up to 80something %. It is amazing how fast it charges. I never worry about the battery life on this phone which is the first time I have ever said that since sma…

Your battery life is great now, but what about 3 years from now? The current ~2 year phone refresh cycle should not last forever, and I think that both the S7 and the nexus have it wrong when it comes to batteries. Even at a gentle 50% Depth of Discharge, a typical li-ion is at only 70% capacity after ~1200 cycles. Bump that to near 100% DoD, and you're at 70% after only 300-500 cycles. Sealed-in batteries in a phone…

A fair point. However I buy my phone SIM free for cash. I do not expect to keep this more than a year because like you said a built in battery isn't great. I will sell this phone/trade it in and buy whatever the new phone I want is. Doing it this way means I still get a good price for selling my phone to offset the cost of the new phone. Sure I spend about £200-250 on a phone each year but I am not tied into a contract for 24 months and I am on a great SIM only plan with unlimited 4G data for £15/month. When I calculate it over 24 months I save money over getting the same phone on a contract.

Re: Samsung’s Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge

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Samsung has good hardware, but their software is so bad. I didn't mind because I could root it and install cyanogen. But they made that impossible to do on the S4. That's just malicious. I'm convinced their software engineers have a competition to see who can write the worst code without getting fired and get it shipped. Clearly nobody has ever been fired at samsung. Their awful software combined with their pathologi…

i had a galaxy s6 for the past 5 months and it was a nightmare. i made the mistake of not doing my research, approving an OTA upgrade to 5.1.1 and made it impossible to root my phone. recently got a nexus 5x and i am so happy to have a stock google phone again.

Re: Samsung’s Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge

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I've been considering a... is it the "5x", now? Mid-range price. The camera is supposed to be excellent. Somewhat more pocketable. And, being on Verizon, my understanding is that I can pop in the micro-SIM from my 2013 Moto X and it will "just work", despite Verizon not officially supporting the 5x. For that is a primary concern of mine. Due to circumstances, I'm kind of stuck with Verizon (in the U.S.). But I will n…

I have a Nexus 6P and got my wife a Nexus 5X thinking it would be a smaller version of basically the same thing. The 6P has been nice, but the 5X has all sorts of issues with bad performance. For example, opening the camera will often freeze the phone for 10-20 seconds. Google still hasn't fixed this after 4 months [1]. It frustrated my wife enough that we sold it and got a used Galaxy S6 instead. It worked a lot bet…

I've got a 5x and it's been awesome. Haven't had any issues with the camera.

Re: Samsung’s Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge

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Samsung has good hardware, but their software is so bad. I didn't mind because I could root it and install cyanogen. But they made that impossible to do on the S4. That's just malicious. I'm convinced their software engineers have a competition to see who can write the worst code without getting fired and get it shipped. Clearly nobody has ever been fired at samsung. Their awful software combined with their pathologi…

What exactly is so bad about their software?

Re: Samsung’s Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your battery life is great now, but what about 3 years from now? The current ~2 year phone refresh cycle should not last forever, and I think that both the S7 and the nexus have it wrong when it comes to batteries. Even at a gentle 50% Depth of Discharge, a typical li-ion is at only 70% capacity after ~1200 cycles. Bump that to near 100% DoD, and you're at 70% after only 300-500 cycles. Sealed-in batteries in a phone…

A fair point. However I buy my phone SIM free for cash. I do not expect to keep this more than a year because like you said a built in battery isn't great. I will sell this phone/trade it in and buy whatever the new phone I want is. Doing it this way means I still get a good price for selling my phone to offset the cost of the new phone. Sure I spend about £200-250 on a phone each year but I am not tied into a contra…

Being off contract, you save the most money by the fact that you aren't forced to continually upgrade your phone to get your subsidy. I'm on a ~$25 USD/month plan with unlimited talk/text + 2.5GB LTE, and I typically keep my phones ~3 years. Having said that, as you stated, even if I needed to have new phones every year, it'd still be cheaper than a contract :).

Re: Samsung’s Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge

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post #106

Samsung has good hardware, but their software is so bad. I didn't mind because I could root it and install cyanogen. But they made that impossible to do on the S4. That's just malicious. I'm convinced their software engineers have a competition to see who can write the worst code without getting fired and get it shipped. Clearly nobody has ever been fired at samsung. Their awful software combined with their pathologi…

What exactly is so bad about their software?

Ignoring the fact that it's ugly as sin and they bundle hundreds of useless apps which are cannot be removed which can cause weird breakages when disabled, the problem is that despite the fact that on paper their hardware should crush every other phone on the market they somehow manage to make the phones UI slower than a budget phone running stock (or near stock) Android.

To be fair, that hardware shines when Android fades away and you want to play graphically intensive phone games but it's terrible for everything else.

Re: Samsung’s Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge

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I love the Samsung hardware, and own an S6 - mostly because I was excited about Gear VR - but I really wish I could root my phone without forever tripping some "Knox" bit that might theoretically have repercussions in the future, and at the very least would affect resale value. In an ideal world, root would be a built-in feature, which can only be accessed through some obscure code, like the developer settings. It wo…

From a security standpoint, allowing a user root access means allowing others to modify the underlying filesystem without validation. This means things like Samsung Pay become vulernable. Tripping the Knox counter is the only way to ensure that the software hasn't been modified by a malicious party. The majority that enjoys using Samsung Pay is a bigger than the minority that benefits from rooting. While the reasons…

Right, which is why they can go ahead and trip it when you root, but there should be a way to completely factory reset, including resetting Knox. That said, we manage to make credit card payments online via rooted devices all the time, so I'm not sure the idea holds water that payments via a rooted device are completely impossible. (Still, I can certainly see that it might not be worth their time. The factory reset shouldn't be very difficult though.)

Re: Samsung’s Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge

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> Perhaps the most significant change this year comes in the S7’s new 12-megapixel camera. It’s lower resolution than last year’s 16-megapixel shooter, but Samsung says its larger pixels let in 56 percent more light than before for better low light images. What?

Here's a decent explanation of the phenomenon they're referring to [0]. Marketing departments usually boil it down to "larger pixels = less noise in low light" but that's a really simple explanation.

0. http://www.clarkvision.com/articles/does.pixel.size.matter/#...

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