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Re: Militia Radio Frequencies

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Post by tedks »

hackuser wrote: post #100
tedks wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I guess that's been true for centuries, but I don't see what it has to do with militias. Like everyone with a bad idea, they want to say 'this time it's different'. Well, automation is going to start taking away knowledge worker jobs soon, so many intelligent people might find themselves in rather dire circumstances. It's certainly unfair to compare rightism to flat-earthism. If you can't admit that there are people…

> It's certainly unfair to compare rightism to flat-earthism I didn't; I was talking about fringe movements planning for the collapse of civilization. They certainly do not represent the right wing.

By definition no extremist represents the center or the average of their political ideology. But extremists exist and occasionally are very intelligent.

Re: Militia Radio Frequencies

#102

Post by beezle »

Aloha wrote: post #76
beezle wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"most surplus commercial radio gear is around the same price with a better build quality" As someone considering getting into this, can you make a couple of suggestions of surplus commercial gear in this price range (ie, under $75)? TIA

What band do you want (VHF, UHF, etc)? Do you need a radio that can be legally transmit on MURS or Part 90 frequencies (land mobile) or just ham radio? Do you want a handheld or mobile? Do you object to hardware that uses DOS (preferably running either on a real older laptop/desktop, or perhaps slowed down in DOSBox to program) or needs funky interface cables? Do you object to something that must be programmed with a…

- 2m/70cm seems best to start (?) - Not business oriented, just ham. - mobile or handheld, though mobile in the sense of base station, not for in truck use. - no serious objection to odd cables or dos as long as parts/software is not so obscure as to be frustrating to find or use - would like to retain front panel option

Thanks again

Re: Militia Radio Frequencies

#103

Post by rmxt »

golergka wrote: post #16
legulere wrote: post #8

Why call them militia-patriots when they're domestic terrorists?

Nobody is a terrorist until he plans or engages in terrorist activity. Do you have evidence that they did something like that?

Calling someone a "terrorist" only when they've engaged in "terrorist activity" is circular reasoning. I'd wager the GP's point is that defining what makes a "terrorist" is all in the eye of the beholder. The tone of the posted article avoids using words ("terror" words) that are quite readily used when other demographics engage in similar behavior.

Re: Militia Radio Frequencies

#104

Post by dragonwriter »

golergka wrote: post #16
legulere wrote: post #8

Why call them militia-patriots when they're domestic terrorists?

Nobody is a terrorist until he plans or engages in terrorist activity. Do you have evidence that they did something like that?

Per 13 USC Sec. 2331 [0]:

  (5) [T]he term “domestic terrorism” means activities that— 
    (A)   involve acts dangerous to human life that are a 
          violation of the criminal laws of the United 
          States or of any State; 

    (B)  appear to be intended— 
      (i)   to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; 

      (ii)   to influence the policy of a government by 
             intimidation or coercion; or 


      (iii)   to affect the conduct of a government by mass 
              destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; 
              and 
    (C)   occur primarily within the territorial
          jurisdiction of the United States.
How is the Malheur occupation not domestic terrorism, under that definition?

[0] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2331

Re: Militia Radio Frequencies

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Post by GFK_of_xmaspast »

golergka wrote: post #15
zekevermillion wrote: post #12

These photos remind me of William Gibson's observations on tactical fashion -- if you are really a militant, then the last thing you'd want to do is look all tactical and stuff. The Army surplus look, radios with whip antennae, etc., is fun. But in any scenario where militia were up against organized force, I would think they should try to blend into the population. But I guess it's hard to keep morale up if you just…

> But in any scenario where militia were up against organized force, I would think they should try to blend into the population. It's very effective indeed, if you disregard all problems with international law and basic human morals. It's a tactic that have been very successful for Hamas in recent years, for example. Fighting in civilian clothing means that (1) your adversaries will kill much more civilians, honestly…

"International law" is one of the things that people like that really hate, c.f. all those people getting mad about "agenda 21".

Re: Militia Radio Frequencies

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Post by mapt »

hatsunearu wrote: post #93
mapt wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My impression from what I'd read is that nearly anything that's got enough impact energy to penetrate clothing, soft flesh (denim & ballistic gel) and the hard bits of thorax, is going to get through perpendicular drywall very easily. Here's the lightest round in common use, 22LR, holing 8 layers of drywall sequentially. This is 1/12th as much muzzle energy as .223: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ME3IEYoQXc Here's…

>Here's the lightest round in common use, 22LR, holing 8 layers of drywall sequentially. This is 1/12th as much muzzle energy as .223: 22LR doesn't tumble. >Here's pricy specialty frangible rounds designed not to go through walls... still going through walls in a test: Frangible rounds are usually used so it doesn't ricochet and hurt someone. It just becomes dust when it hits something hard that would normally bounce…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0qgQoej5zE

Here's a 223 round going through 10 layers of drywall, a pine 2x4, and six inches of ballistic gelatin afterwards. While tumbling, I'm sure.

Re: Militia Radio Frequencies

#108

Post by craigmcnamara »

hga wrote: post #85
craigmcnamara wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't a handgun just a gun made to make assaulting another human easier?

Not at all. They're akin to a first aid kit, not what you'd choose to have if you know you're going into combat, but something you can much more often have with you because of their compactness and much lighter weight. More than 10 million Americans have concealed carry licenses, with their numbers growing by more than a million a year, and we demonstrably aren't carrying them "to make assaulting another human easier…

I see you didn't like my zinger. I have a pistol permit, but I don't see any need to carry a gun. It's just not something I worry about.

Re: Militia Radio Frequencies

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Post by Aloha »

beezle wrote: post #102
Aloha wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What band do you want (VHF, UHF, etc)? Do you need a radio that can be legally transmit on MURS or Part 90 frequencies (land mobile) or just ham radio? Do you want a handheld or mobile? Do you object to hardware that uses DOS (preferably running either on a real older laptop/desktop, or perhaps slowed down in DOSBox to program) or needs funky interface cables? Do you object to something that must be programmed with a…

- 2m/70cm seems best to start (?) - Not business oriented, just ham. - mobile or handheld, though mobile in the sense of base station, not for in truck use. - no serious objection to odd cables or dos as long as parts/software is not so obscure as to be frustrating to find or use - would like to retain front panel option Thanks again

If you just want a straight ham radio, I'd recommend a Yeasu FT-60R (~100 on ebay), having owned one, I find the build quality much better, I suspect it also performs better when it comes to adjacent channel interference, intermod, and desense too - for a mobile, a Kenwood TM-281A (~120 on ebay) - which is a 2m only radio, but one of the best (and easiest) I've used.

For Commercial options (you generally loose the front panel programability) so long as you only need the ham bands - Motorola HT1000 (~20 on ebay) (available in VHF and UHF) or for a mobile (could be used as a base or in a truck) a Motorola Spectra (~40-150 on ebay) or GM300 (~50-100 on ebay) - as a note, when buying the commercial radios on ebay, you have to pay careful attention to the bandsplit of UHF radios, many of them are 450-482, rather than the 403-450 we'd want for ham radio.

The thing is, as a radio, the Chinese units are not horrible, they're a world away better than what anyone was using 25 years ago - but they're essentially disposable radios, one drop - and you're probably buying a new one - to give you an example, I own a portion radio fleet that a group of us use for low cost rentals to non-profits, its mostly Motorola, but the Motorola hardware is expensive, so we were looking for a low cost analog only option, and we bought 10 woxun handhelds for our rental fleet, they made it three rental cycles (about 18 months) before all but 2 were dead - in that same period, we had no failures in the Motorola and Kenwood portions of our fleet.

These experiences perhaps color my judgement a bit about the baofengs, woxuns and the like.

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