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The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

Aleman360 wrote: post #72
wdmeldon wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comment is depressingly cynical. This is probably the single best definition of "hacking", as the community often refers to it, that I've seen in a very long time. One guy starts working on something only the biggest companies in the world dare attempt, throws together a minimal prototype built on top of existing technology. Just look at the picture of it. Claims of commercial viability or beating Tesla are a bi…

If this is the "hacker ethos" then I want nothing to do with it: > “I live by morals, I don’t live by laws,” Hotz declared in the story. “Laws are something made by assholes.” > “ ‘If’ statements kill.” > “I want power. Not power over people, but power over nature and the destiny of technology. I just want to know how it all works.”

Hotz is pretty eccentric, but he's also pretty incredible. While technology wouldn't progress very far if everyone was like Hotz, I also don't think it would get very far without people like Hotz.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by antoniuschan99 »

He seems like a pretty cool and level headed person. If you watch the video, they're working on phase 3 of car automation which is basically when you're on the highway (or on the smaller roads) and the car takes over for you. It seems like google is working on phase 4, which I feel is basically too far off (no reason for us to need cars that can drive themselves without anyone in it). Also, Tesla, Mercedes, those are all phase 3 (Autosteer).

Also pretty cool he's working in his garage :P.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by baby »

antoniuschan99 wrote: post #102

He seems like a pretty cool and level headed person. If you watch the video, they're working on phase 3 of car automation which is basically when you're on the highway (or on the smaller roads) and the car takes over for you. It seems like google is working on phase 4, which I feel is basically too far off (no reason for us to need cars that can drive themselves without anyone in it). Also, Tesla, Mercedes, those are…

he says phase 3 takes 99% of your driving task. So I guess it would be way more than that.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by reneherse »

For comparison, a similar hacker spirit underpins Tesla Motors propulsion tech: Back in the early 2000's, there was a young engineer driving around Palo Alto in a brilliantly hacked electric Porsche 944, which would do about 130mph on the highway.

His name was JB Straubel, and nowadays he's Tesla's CTO.

Best of luck to Hotz!

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by hospes »

lintiness wrote: post #51
untog wrote: post #33

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Sure. But that belief is a genuine worry when you are talking about creating something that'll move a hulk of metal down a road at 70mph.

if we don't have laws currently, we sure as hell need them. i can't imagine letting everybody try their own self-driving software.

Millions of drunk people drive on the roads. People can buy assault weapons, with no training and background checks. People who make self-driving software should be the least of our concerns.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by mikeg8 »

sangnoir wrote: post #90
mikeg8 wrote: post #71

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This whole: "Twenty year olds don't know shit but 30 year olds are so enlightened" sentiment needs to stop. I agree that many younger people think they understand more than they do but that's just part of growing up and we all go through it.

Why does it need to stop if you agree that its a fact of life. No one is saying 30 y/o's are enlighted, just that they have a bit more perspective. The same can be said for twenties vs. teens. It's not that teens are idiots - they are just teens with the life-experiences & perspective of a teen

This:

> A person in their 20's knows nothing, but thinks they've outsmarted the world...

Is a dangerous and gross generalization. I totally agree with the changing of perspectives point, but feel that this community has a very clear bias from the older gen (30s and up) against the younger gen (teens and twenties). That's all I'm saying. It's divisive. Instead of saying they "know nothing", it should be phrased, "still have a lot to learn."

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by padobson »

lintiness wrote: post #51
untog wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure. But that belief is a genuine worry when you are talking about creating something that'll move a hulk of metal down a road at 70mph.

if we don't have laws currently, we sure as hell need them. i can't imagine letting everybody try their own self-driving software.

From the article:

“I live by morals, I don’t live by laws,” Hotz declared in the story. “Laws are something made by assholes.”

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by dexterdog »

reviseddamage wrote: post #31
J0-onas wrote: post #11

So how does his technology/software react on dangers? The video only shows how he keeps his lane...

Probably really bad now, or doesn't react at all and also probably will collide in critical and dangerous positions. But that is also not the future. The future is how does it interact in non-dangerous positions long-term while other cars are self-driving in compliance.

Is it that hard to detect a clear danger like a car that suddenly stopped in front of you on the highway?

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by yoodenvranx »

baby wrote: post #103
antoniuschan99 wrote: post #102

He seems like a pretty cool and level headed person. If you watch the video, they're working on phase 3 of car automation which is basically when you're on the highway (or on the smaller roads) and the car takes over for you. It seems like google is working on phase 4, which I feel is basically too far off (no reason for us to need cars that can drive themselves without anyone in it). Also, Tesla, Mercedes, those are…

he says phase 3 takes 99% of your driving task. So I guess it would be way more than that.

I think this number of "99%" is only valid for the large US suburbs which are way easier to navigate than a typical small town in Germany/Europe. Over here we have so many narrow streets, millions of pedestrians and bicycles, construction zones and so on. More often than not it is difficult for a human to figure out what is going on so it will be much harder for a car to do the same.
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