Heroku is no longer the hobbyist's friend • Hacker News Board

Re: Heroku is no longer the hobbyist's friend

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Post by lexcorvus » Tue, Oct 20, 2015, 5:21 AM UTC

mtmail wrote: post #95

lexcorvus wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correcting grammar and spelling errors—especially in public—is always a tough call: upon judging that an error is systematic and not a simple typo, do you help the writer avoid the error in perpetuity—even if it embarrasses them a little, and even if you'll probably get downvoted for being pedantic or offtopic? In this case, I've determined the downsides are worth the possibility of sparing the author a lifetime of e…

The author's email address is in his HN profile (one click away). If you truely wanted to help the author you could have done it in private. I agree with the other users who replied.

I always prefer to correct in private. Most people don't list email addresses in their profiles, so I didn't think to check. Next time I will.

By the way, despite logic, "truly" doesn't contain the substring "true", so "truely" is a misspelling. Your email address, unfortunately, isn't in your profile (and nor could I find it via opencagedata.com), so I hope (though doubt) you'll forgive a public correction.

Re: Heroku is no longer the hobbyist's friend

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Post by lexcorvus » Tue, Oct 20, 2015, 5:22 AM UTC

cwbrandsma wrote: post #54

lexcorvus wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correcting grammar and spelling errors—especially in public—is always a tough call: upon judging that an error is systematic and not a simple typo, do you help the writer avoid the error in perpetuity—even if it embarrasses them a little, and even if you'll probably get downvoted for being pedantic or offtopic? In this case, I've determined the downsides are worth the possibility of sparing the author a lifetime of e…

There is a whole lot of "I'm an asshole" conveyed in that statement of yours.

Everything in my statement is genuine. What's more impolite, saying something, or letting someone continue to make a mistake? Like I said in my comment, it's a tough call.

Implying someone is an asshole is always impolite. Take that as you will.

Re: Heroku is no longer the hobbyist's friend

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Post by lexcorvus » Tue, Oct 20, 2015, 5:23 AM UTC

meepmorp wrote: post #92

lexcorvus wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correcting grammar and spelling errors—especially in public—is always a tough call: upon judging that an error is systematic and not a simple typo, do you help the writer avoid the error in perpetuity—even if it embarrasses them a little, and even if you'll probably get downvoted for being pedantic or offtopic? In this case, I've determined the downsides are worth the possibility of sparing the author a lifetime of e…

It's incredible what a complete ass you are.

Everything I wrote is genuine and polite (perhaps even overly so). What you wrote is distinctly impolite. Is the irony lost on you? Think of that the next time you're tempted to call someone a nasty name.

Re: Heroku is no longer the hobbyist's friend

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Post by lexcorvus » Tue, Oct 20, 2015, 5:31 AM UTC

PaulHoule wrote: post #61

lexcorvus wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correcting grammar and spelling errors—especially in public—is always a tough call: upon judging that an error is systematic and not a simple typo, do you help the writer avoid the error in perpetuity—even if it embarrasses them a little, and even if you'll probably get downvoted for being pedantic or offtopic? In this case, I've determined the downsides are worth the possibility of sparing the author a lifetime of e…

Funny, but for run of the mill text written by humans you almost always improve things by running s/it's/its/

Indeed often true; I've noticed the same. In this case, there was a correct use of "it's", so I had to add an extra word to the substitution.

Re: Heroku is no longer the hobbyist's friend

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Post by moepstar » Tue, Oct 20, 2015, 7:07 AM UTC

GeneralTspoon wrote: post #62

glogla wrote: post #29

The author writes about spinning virtual machine from Linode. There's one cool alternative I found: Hetzner Online[1] leases dedicated hardware that their other customers stopped using or ordered but didn't use, etc. It is in form of reverse auction - unused hardware gets cheaper until someone rents it. You can get i7-3770 server with 2x3 TB disks and 16 GB RAM for 32 EUR per month. That's not much more money than li…

Can confirm - I've been using Hetzner for over 2 years now with no problems. I serve quite a large amount of traffic on an EX40 (it was costing me a fortune when I was with AWS). Although a company I worked for had a Hetzner server where 3 out 4 of the hard disks failed. So it might be wise to do regular backups off-site.

This was most probably due to shitty Seagate harddrives, the ST3000DM001 which are failing left, right and center...

Quote:

Beginning in January 2012, Backblaze deployed 4,829 Seagate 3TB hard drives, model ST3000DM001, into Backblaze Storage Pods. In our experience, 80% of the hard drives we deploy will function at least 4 years. As of March 31, 2015, just 10% of the Seagate 3TB drives deployed in 2012 are still in service

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/3tb-hard-drive-failure/

Edit: They (Hetzner) have since long stopped putting those drives into servers and if such a HDD shows signs of failure they're replaced by support no questions asked...

Re: Heroku is no longer the hobbyist's friend

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Post by zacharybk » Tue, Oct 20, 2015, 1:16 PM UTC

joshmn wrote: post #57

sotojuan wrote: post #37

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Dokku + a $5 or $10 Digital Ocean droplet is a great combo.

I love Dokku, but DOs performance has tanked so hard, and is slowly becoming a haven for spam and "hackers". So many better alternatives. Current favorites (in no specific order): OVH (don't judge, their performance is wicked, just don't expect support), RAMNode, BuyVM, Vultr, 6sync, SparkNode.

Hey Joshmn!

Zach here, Director of Support at DigitalOcean. Thanks for raising a few concerns.

I'm going to shoot you an email to learn more about what's not going right for you.

Best, Zach

Re: Heroku is no longer the hobbyist's friend

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Post by dontscale » Tue, Oct 20, 2015, 2:30 PM UTC

lexcorvus wrote: post #102

cwbrandsma wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a whole lot of "I'm an asshole" conveyed in that statement of yours.

Everything in my statement is genuine. What's more impolite, saying something, or letting someone continue to make a mistake? Like I said in my comment, it's a tough call. Implying someone is an asshole is always impolite. Take that as you will.

You don't need to give lexcorvus a hard time. Isn't it evident from his/her personality that he/she has enough of those already?

Re: Heroku is no longer the hobbyist's friend

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Post by Harkins » Tue, Oct 20, 2015, 4:28 PM UTC

Does anyone have screenshots of the database upgrade that the Heroku CLI is pushing? It gave me some technical-sounding warnings about needing to update my database, sounding a lot like the infrequent app stack updates (from Bamboo to Cedar or whatever). It walked me through an upgrade process, bounced app, everything happy.

Then the bill came, and they'd added a $50/mo db to my $9/db. Support was shocked, shocked that their tool had told me to install the db. They admitted the $9 plan sufficed for me, didn't fix or refund the unwanted extra plan, and to top it off database backups are still broken.

I'd just like to have a screenshot of the misleading sales process they pulled. If anyone sees this, please drop me a line. Meanwhile, I'm checking out Dokku and other alternatives for hosting on VPSs - aside from my little hobby project, I have tens of thousands of dollars of consulting client hosting to start migrating away.

Re: Heroku is no longer the hobbyist's friend

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Post by nostrademons » Tue, Oct 20, 2015, 5:19 PM UTC

lexcorvus wrote: post #102

cwbrandsma wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a whole lot of "I'm an asshole" conveyed in that statement of yours.

Everything in my statement is genuine. What's more impolite, saying something, or letting someone continue to make a mistake? Like I said in my comment, it's a tough call. Implying someone is an asshole is always impolite. Take that as you will.

A lot of people know full well the difference between "its" and "it's", but dash off HN comments because they have something contribute but not a lot of time. I've been known to forget whole verbs when writing out my comments, for example. That doesn't mean that they're fated to a lifetime of always getting it wrong: the parent comment you corrected used "it's" correctly once and incorrectly twice, and uses "its" correctly in his comment history.

The other commenters are asking you to please consider carelessness rather incompetence as a motive, and to see the forest for the trees. If everybody corrected grammar in the comments, we'd quickly see the site switch from substantive discussion to useless pedantry. Don't be that guy.

Re: Heroku is no longer the hobbyist's friend

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Post by kasia66 » Tue, Oct 20, 2015, 6:00 PM UTC

joshmn wrote: post #55

orthoganol wrote: post #53

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Except it's $14, because I can't remember the last time I built even a trivial app that didn't incorporate background processes somehow (the extra $7). Then it's an extra $20/mo if you want SSL. Which you will most likely want. That $7/mo just became $34/mo. Bye, bye Heroku.

For something small (assuming it is), you can get away using Unicorn as your Rails server (assuming Rails), you can spawn a worker inside your dyno using before_fork and #spawn. For SSL, you can use CloudFlare as your DNS and take advantage of their SSL feature. While not ideal, does it need to be ideal for a trivial, probably-not-super-high-functioning-hacky-app? There's always Cloud66 — which I've used to great suc…

Cloud 66 provides a full stack container management as a service in production. It gives you the flexibility by offering Heroku-like functionality on your own server or on any cloud provider (AWS, DigitalOcean, Packet, Azure and etc). Cloud 66 gives you more control, helps to reduce the cost and to save time.

go.c66.me/ktheroku

(Disclaimer: I work at Cloud 66)