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Re: Amazon Snowball

#101

This has interesting security implications for both sides. Is the device 100% offline or does it phone home when you connect it to your network or transmit any other data? What if someone gets the device and hacks it to scan Amazon's networks when sent back?

Most likely, they'll get the same results as if they were scanning from an EC2 machine. I doubt Amazon would put it in a trusted (V)LAN.

Re: Amazon Snowball

#102
post #17

I'm curious about how they're going to approach this from the fraud perspective. This is a $200 charge for a device that has 50TB storage, which would probably cost you around $2000 to buy. There's people out there that will sign a contract under a fake name / address with a phone provider and sell the phones, and the way the providers fight against it usually by running credit checks and verifying address against th…

This isn't really all that useful unless you have a fairly large existing AWS deployment. If you try to open up a new account and order a 50TB storage device without provisioning anything else, they'll probably just refuse you. For normal users, amazon can just hold their AWS account hostage if they fail to return the device.

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$1700 is amazingly cheap when you consider that it costs $4300 [0] to transfer that same 50TB out of EC2. [0] https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/ $4300 = 10000 * $0.09 + 40000 * $0.085

... which is also wildly overpriced. According to multiple sources, Internet transit in the US now costs less than 1$ for a 1 Mbps line for large deals, which translates to 1$ for 324GB, which translates to 0.003$ / GB. Amazon charges 15-30 times that. (it appears that traffic can be much more expensive in places other than the US and presumably Europe)

1 Mbps * 2 days = 21.6 gigabytes so sure you could transfer a lot of really stale data, but if latency is important the prices are dramatically higher. You also often end up paying for both the upload and download side if your need to regularly do large transfers.

Re: Amazon Snowball

#104
post #90

When I export data from S3, what do I get for a given bucket? Just basically a file system? How is the metadata stored? What about object versions? I'm curious what the end result looks like in doing this.

"Currently, Snowball doesn't support exporting data."

http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSImportExport/latest/DG/limits....

Re: Amazon Snowball

#105
post #23

Getting terabytes of data into AWS/Hotel California is great, but wish there was a way to get the data out just as quickly!

> AWS Import/Export Snowball is a petabyte-scale data transport solution that uses secure appliances to transfer large amounts of data into and out of AWS.

Yes, but "Currently, Snowball doesn't support exporting data."

http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSImportExport/latest/DG/introdu...

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#106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You're not just paying for a pipe, you're paying for the corporation. You are paying their profit margin, yeah. It is wildly overpriced, no matter how you look at it. Operating costs even when done on a much smaller and more inefficient scale than for AWS do not make the total cost for incremental bandwidth usage THAT much larger.

Don't bother, AWS defenders will continue to defend it and replace employees with a larger AWS bill and further lockin until they shoot themselves in the foot.

A large AWS bill (which actually gets cheaper over time!) is much easier/cheaper to get rid of than employees. AWS also won't get recruited by a competitor and come into your office wanting a ton more money.

Re: Amazon Snowball

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post #90

When I export data from S3, what do I get for a given bucket? Just basically a file system? How is the metadata stored? What about object versions? I'm curious what the end result looks like in doing this.

"Currently, Snowball doesn't support exporting data." http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSImportExport/latest/DG/limits....

Wow. Amazon is really embracing the ship fast, break things, roll with the MVP even when it lacks 50% of the features.

Re: Amazon Snowball

#108
the E Ink shipping label will automatically update

Are you kidding me? Instead of a 25 cent shipping label they use a $100 e-ink display?

The display alone might get the device stolen.

Re: Amazon Snowball

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

what does "overpriced" mean in this context? "overpriced" compared to what? is there another company offering a similar service for a lower price?

Compared to marginal cost. There are companies offering prices much more similar to cost, for example: - Hetzner.de servers/colocation offers additional traffic at 1.39 EUR/TB = 0.00158 $/GB - DigitalOcean offers 1TB traffic with $5/month instances = 0.005 $/GB

The price of something is determined by how much people are willing to pay for it, not the marginal cost. We don't pay people based on the marginal cost to keep them alive.

Re: Amazon Snowball

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post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This article says it's not e-ink but just a Kindle strapped to the side. >It has a Kindle on the side, which functions as an automatic shipping label. http://techcrunch.com/2015/10/07/amazon-launches-snowball-a-...

Unless i'm mis-judging the scale of this thing, that screen looks a fair bit smaller than a kindle. I think it's just techcrunch using "kindle" as a generic word for e-ink display.

The Amazon exec who introduced the Snowball during the keynote also called it included a "Kindle".
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