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DARE: The Anti-Drug Program That Never Actually Worked

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Re: DARE: The Anti-Drug Program That Never Actually Worked

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As a counterpoint, I found DARE to be a useful and worldly course. I probably wasn't the target audience, as an introverted sciency-type, but the class gave me a survey of the various drugs on the market and an introduction to a vocabulary with which I'd had no contact. When interactions with drugs touched closer friends in subsequent years, I feel that I was better prepared than I would've been without DARE. Anecdot…

Satire is something so rarely seen on HN. Good job.

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Re: DARE: The Anti-Drug Program That Never Actually Worked

#102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps this teacher was looking more for thoughtful analysis and insight rather than pedantically seeking out minor grammatical errors.

Call me archaic, but schools should teach proper spelling and grammar in addition to the process of reasoning. I can't take any writing seriously if it's done poorly. (I didn't think the essay was done poorly though, it's still better than a lot of writing done on the internet nowadays)

Well it seems fitting for a great old one to be archaic...

Re: DARE: The Anti-Drug Program That Never Actually Worked

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I think Randy Marsh from "South Park" had the most effective anti-marijuana speech I've ever heard: Stan: I've been told a lot of things about pot, but I've come to find out a lot of those things aren't true! So I don't know what to believe! Randy: Well, Stan, the truth is marijuana probably isn't gonna make you kill people, and it most likely isn't gonna fund terrorism, but… well, son, pot makes you feel fine with b…

When I was going through the period of learning to program where every solution creates 3 more problems, the hard times, the learning, I was smoking.

I made a rule. "IF I SMOKE, I CAN ONLY PROGRAM AFTERWARDS"

IT WORKED!!!! :P

Re: DARE: The Anti-Drug Program That Never Actually Worked

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I think Randy Marsh from "South Park" had the most effective anti-marijuana speech I've ever heard: Stan: I've been told a lot of things about pot, but I've come to find out a lot of those things aren't true! So I don't know what to believe! Randy: Well, Stan, the truth is marijuana probably isn't gonna make you kill people, and it most likely isn't gonna fund terrorism, but… well, son, pot makes you feel fine with b…

My favorite part about this quote is that it comes from a television show.

Re: DARE: The Anti-Drug Program That Never Actually Worked

#106
DARE is not, and never was, an anti-drug program; it was a pro-police program, and one which was repeatedly proven effective in that role in many of the same studies which showed it didn't do anything anti-drug, that used the "anti-drug" label to gain support from parents, etc., because "were teaching your kids to stay of drugs" sounds better than "we're teaching your kids to have warm fuzzy feeling about cops".

Re: DARE: The Anti-Drug Program That Never Actually Worked

#107
post #85

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"Why are we trying to convince everyone not to do drugs again?" I guess you could say that occasional use is not a big problem for most drugs. But I wouldn't recommend it, because most people go through some vulnerable time when they could become addicted (or otherwise abuse drugs), and at that time you don't want to have the stuff in your house or a dealer friend ready to supply. We dismiss people who join cults tha…

> most people go through some vulnerable time when they could become addicted (or otherwise abuse drugs), and at that time you don't want to have the stuff in your house or a dealer friend ready to supply Sometimes people do drugs to cope with their other problems in life. They need drugs as a reprieve. Life can be hard and people have used alcohol, pot and many other substances to create a refuge. Of course that doe…

Sure, they can help, too. But I wouldn't recommend it, because I have no idea which drugs would help and which would make things worse.

I'm not suggesting we deny anyone anything. I'm answering the question: "why do we try to convince people not to use drugs?".

Re: DARE: The Anti-Drug Program That Never Actually Worked

#108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps this teacher was looking more for thoughtful analysis and insight rather than pedantically seeking out minor grammatical errors.

Call me archaic, but schools should teach proper spelling and grammar in addition to the process of reasoning. I can't take any writing seriously if it's done poorly. (I didn't think the essay was done poorly though, it's still better than a lot of writing done on the internet nowadays)

Meanwhile, from two comments earlier:

'more influentiable people would be like "Oh wow I can totally get rich selling drugs as long as I don't startg using it myself!"'

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Re: DARE: The Anti-Drug Program That Never Actually Worked

#109
post #46

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Or, just do drugs. I mean, LSD is great, and people should try it. Smoking pot is also nice, I've done some great writing while stoned. Heck, Paul Erdos did amphetamines his whole life. Why are we trying to convince everyone not to do drugs again?

I think it's a bit misleading to simply say "LSD is great and you should try it". It can be interesting, but also can be scary as fuck, and you should be in a good place mentally before trying it.

"Snorkeling is great and you should try it," is a similar statement I might make with no qualifications or equivocation from you. Many pleasurable activities have attendant dangers that you should be aware of before engaging in them. Drugs are no different, except we surround them with the stink of moral judgment and refuse to educate people on how to use them safely.

Re: DARE: The Anti-Drug Program That Never Actually Worked

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, just do drugs. I mean, LSD is great, and people should try it. Smoking pot is also nice, I've done some great writing while stoned. Heck, Paul Erdos did amphetamines his whole life. Why are we trying to convince everyone not to do drugs again?

C0nc0rdance is a scientist who makes well researched videos about various subjects, and did a few videos on the health effects of marijuana: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnNPm5cG85c It may not be the most harmful drug, but it's certainly not harmless or non-addictive. LSD can cause mental illness to emerge in some people. I also remember a study that gave LSD to 10 people during a religious sermon. 9 of them went…

> anything with that powerful an effect on the mind is concerning.

I find that statement absurd, anything with an effect that powerful should be cherished! Would life be desirable if it were stripped from all emotions, as they too have a powerful effect on the mind? Even if you agreed to that, it wouldn't be feasible as we are biological creatures and not pure rational beings. Denying that our biological self exists, with feelings and all, doesn't solve anything. The spiritual experience you describe is just another part of the human condition, I don't quite believe that 9 out of 10 people on LSD would become preachers, but I see how it can lead to a better understanding of religion. This doesn't require superstition, quite the opposite. When you know that those effects are caused by LSD or substances contained in Mushrooms, ferns or cacti, you don't need a higher power as an explanation for this peculiar state of mind. You might however find yourself coming to conclusions about life that other people on similar states of mind (whether induced by drugs or other means is irrelevant here) had before you, and who used the vehicle of religion to transport them.

So yes, psychedelics, as well as most drugs, should not be taken lightly, but banning them is like razing the Niagara Falls because someone might fall over the edge.

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