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From a disadvantaged family (no initial savings) and perhaps student loans (ill-advised, but not uncommon) -- it's not unthinkable that he hasn't hit "soft retire" numbers after 10 years. But your sentiment is correct: If you're debt-free, you should be able to "soft retire" after 10 years as a software engineer in today's markets.
Another thing to factor in is being from a lower income area will distort your perception of what a large number is. I come from a town where the per capita income is 20k. My first "real" job was doing tech support at $16/hr. It felt like A LOT of money to me. I thought I was getting overpaid, that sentiment followed me for years. Today making 125k I still feel overpaid, though when I look at the value I produce for…
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#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
From a disadvantaged family (no initial savings) and perhaps student loans (ill-advised, but not uncommon) -- it's not unthinkable that he hasn't hit "soft retire" numbers after 10 years. But your sentiment is correct: If you're debt-free, you should be able to "soft retire" after 10 years as a software engineer in today's markets.
Another thing to factor in is being from a lower income area will distort your perception of what a large number is. I come from a town where the per capita income is 20k. My first "real" job was doing tech support at $16/hr. It felt like A LOT of money to me. I thought I was getting overpaid, that sentiment followed me for years. Today making 125k I still feel overpaid, though when I look at the value I produce for…
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OK, but how many developers in the US get $100k? Throughout the first 10 years of their career? And I'm sorry, I should explain - I live and work in the EU, in Germany right now. So I can't compare. In any case, one can certainly save, and I'm not gonna lie, I could certainly spend less without losing too much :) But a claim like "10 years is enough to retire" seems a bit extreme.
$100k after tax (including stock) is basically starting salary in the valley for 22-year-old college graduates at big companies.
P.S. I don't think we'll get far with this... i just noticed, e.g., "median household income in the US" - that seems a tricky thing to compare with, given that many ppl in the US don't have health insurance, or live in trailer parks eating off food stamps...
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> The solution is providing a social safety net that enables that bulk of the population to pursue their dream. We have a huge "social safety net" here in France and yet we are way less entrepreneurial than in the US. I moved to Peru for 4 years to save some money and then came back to start a business, the entrepreneurial spirit was way strong stronger there even though the social safety net is inexistent. Fact is,…
Peru might have a lot more entrepreneurially minded people, and more self-employed people but France certainly has more successful tech startups (even on a per capita basis). Just as lack of a safety net biases towards action and self reliance, it also skews the risk/reward ratio of those actions firmly towards those most likely to keep the roof over ones head.
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#108Ten years back, when I was fresh out of college, I joined a startup - not as a founder but as the first employee. A lot of it was driven by reading Paul Graham's essays, and I was naive and immature enough to believe that I was doing something great (as an aside, I came from an economically disadvantaged family; and every cent of my assets today is something I have earned and not something which I have inherited or o…
I didn't realize this was some secret. Someone who has parents who are doing well and can pay for their college and living expenses indefinitely will be at an advantage. They can take risks others can't.
BTW, this is true from the time someone is born. Parents who are well off will send their child to pre-pre schools, pay for the best elementary, middle and high schools. Then their child gets to go to college, likely loan free, and can focus on college and not working to pay the bills. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with this, and I certainly didn't grow up this way. I'm surprised it wasn't common sense.
Re: Entrepreneurs don’t have a gene for risk – they come from families with money
#109I am second generation from immigrants who arrived at these shores with nothing but the clothes on their backs. They escaped Genocide and other horrors.
When they got here they grabbed whatever job they could. They had nothing. They saved their money. And when they could, they started their own small businesses (yes, both of my grandparents behaved the same way without knowing each other).
No, there was no IPO. These were small neighborhood stores. One was a little general store and the other was a shoe repair store. Yet, they had their own businesses and were able to support their family through their own efforts.
My parents, in turn, followed a similar path. No, they were not handed money. They worked at my grandparent's stores and learned an entrepreneurial work ethic. As they got older they got jobs working elsewhere, my mom as a clothing designer at a factory and my dad as a salesman at an insurance company.
Years later, after saving every penny they made, they decided to launch their own business, a clothing manufacturing business. My childhood memories are filled with moments in this little shop with both my mom and dad slaving away behind industrial sewing machines. Yes, the "factory" was mom and dad for the first year or two in a little 500 square foot industrial unit. Today we might call that a "minimum viable product". Yet the idea was that they where all-in, quit their jobs, found a contract somewhere and did whatever was necessary to deliver, make money and grow. My parents were no strangers to sixteen hour days behind industrial sewing machines while the kids did homework, played and slept in the background.
Of course, through hard work and pure grit they eventually grew out of there and, years later, found themselves running a shop that was about 50,000 square feet, with two or three dozen employees and dozens of machines of all kinds. I, as a kid, loved spending time at the factory messing around with stuff. I eventually learned enough about the machinery that, as a young teenager, I could fix the machines better than my dad or the technicians he would hire from time to time. And yes, I also learned to sew and worked the various machines from time to time. In the weekends my dad and I would go to the factory and prepare work for the coming week.
The work ethic was strong. We worked. And, no, we were not millionaires. Yes, my parents did well but the clothing industry was disintegrating slowly and they were very aware of this. Also, I think my parents worked so hard that they really didn't have time to develop strategies. Years later the factory had to be shut down due to the impossibility of competing with cheap Chinese imported goods. Dozens of good people lost their jobs and my parents went back to work for others. Funny enough, my mom went to work designing clothes and my dad went back to insurance. Exactly where they started when they were young.
Throughout this I never heard them complain about a thing. They did whatever had to be done to take care of the family. I think those were different times. People were tougher. There was real grit out there. Particularly from immigrants or first generation children. Compared to then, today's population seems neutered. Crying foul at the dumbest things. Filing for disability if they pull a muscle. Such bullshit. Such wasted human potential. I watched my parents and grandparents work no matter what. In fact, I can't even remember any of them ever staying home sick. Hero's, in the true sense of the word, at least as it pertains to the families they took care of.
When I got older I followed a similar path. I got nothing from my family other than this insane drive to do whatever was necessary to succeed. My first job was washing dishes at one of those companies that delivered food to airplanes (back in the day when they gave you real plates and silverware). I didn't last long because I had other goals in mind. I quit that and got a job at a professional photography lab and studio. I went to school at night while I held down that job. I actually started to function in an entrepreneurial way as I started to do some professional photo work during that time. It was fun work for a young 19 year old because I was going out to do photo shoots with stunningly beautiful models who I later became friends with. It was an interesting time.
As my school work in electrical engineering got past the basic requirements and got more into engineering I felt I needed to get a proper engineering job. And that I did. I worked at a company that made industrial robots, did some basic design work and helped with support and maintenance.
I saved as much money as I could. I stayed there nine years. And, yes, I did little entrepreneurial things here and there but nothing major. Nine years later I felt I was ready to launch my own business. And I did. It was a moderate success. I launched another and then another. I have done very well, I've gone bankrupt, recovered and have done well again. The basic formula is to be fiscally responsible, patient, save money and be willing to work hard and smart as needed. Success isn't given, it is earned.
I don't doubt there are many who are handed tens, hundreds or millions of dollars by their families to start businesses and play "entrepreneur". Those people do exist. And quite a few fail and never try again (or keep burning cash) because they are what I called "neutered" in terms of the grit required to be an entrepreneur.
The fallacy in an article such as the one posted is that money isn't the magical pixie dust that makes an entrepreneur or make him or her successful. No, the pixie dust has nothing whatsoever to do with money. Money is a tool. The pixie dust is a combination of many things, including smarts, timing, frugality, boldness, grit, determination, no fear of failure, the ability to get back up when knocked down and more.
You don't need to come from a privileged home to learn these things. A mom holding down three jobs to provide for the family is as much of a positive role model as my parents were. She can teach the kids lots of lessons they will never forget. What does not lead to entrepreneurship is a neutered existence where people are afraid of their own shadows, don't take risks, want the government to provide everything and become dependent on mysterious external magic to survive. This is how a lot of people freak out when the power goes out while others see it as an opportunity to do something else with the kids (and entrepreneurs try to figure out what product to come up with to address the problem).
In entrepreneurship money makes things easier if and only if the entrepreneurial foundation is there to begin with. That's why shops like YC need multi-founder teams and, even at that, they have to become their virtual parents and role models in order to ensure success and teach them the culture and ways of entrepreneurship. Young single founders without this "grit" would crumble inside of a year, money or not.
I would venture to say that the millions of small business entrepreneurs out there do not come from wealthy families. I don't have any data to back this up but it is simply impossible to think that my local ice cream shop, cleaner's, barber shop, AC guy, gardener, etc. fell into their businesses because they got some money from mom and dad. I think the opposite is far more likely to be true. They worked their asses off, saved some money and launched.
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#110I missed it the first time round ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9913774 ). This aligns with Maslow's Hierarchy - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs In other words, to reach a level where one pursues respect or self-actualization, one has to have their physiological and safety needs met first.
Maslow says that the layers overlap and that one does not need 100% of a lower level before one starts reaching for higher layer. http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Maslow/motivation.htm Degree of relative satisfaction. -- So far, our theoretical discussion may have given the impression that these five sets of needs are somehow in a step-wise, all-or-none relationships to each other. We have spoken in such terms as the fo…
Human needs arrange themselves in hierarchies of pre-potency. That is to say, the appearance of one need usually rests on the prior satisfaction of another, more pre-potent need. Man is a perpetually wanting animal. Also no need or drive can be treated as if it were isolated or discrete; every drive is related to the state of satisfaction or dissatisfaction of other drives.