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Chrome will begin pausing many Flash ads by default on September 1

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Re: Chrome will begin pausing many Flash ads by default on September 1

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IIRC ZeroClipboard falls back to flash if you're not using a browser with the new clipboard APIs.

But this problem is irrelevant, since all versions of Chrome that block flash will have this API, not?

But that's irrelevent anyway, as Chrome wouldn't block ~tiny~ flash plugins used by the clipboard transport.

Re: Chrome will begin pausing many Flash ads by default on September 1

#102
post #22

I can already disable flash ads. Good luck disabling HTML 5 ads without browser plugins support.

I've gotten high mileage by blocking OVPs directly. I'm advocating doing this to encourage video providers to NOT enable autoplay on video. 0.0.0.0 www.autofixinfo.com # Autoplay video 0.0.0.0 c.brightcove.com # Autoplay video 0.0.0.0 player.theplatform.com # Autoplay video 0.0.0.0 link.theplatform.com # Autoplay video 0.0.0.0 ci-2862d2c8d6-68f418d2.http.atlas.cdn.yimg.com # Autoplay video 0.0.0.0 video-img2.thedaily…

    0.0.0.0			c.brightcove.com	# Autoplay video
    0.0.0.0			player.theplatform.com	# Autoplay video
    0.0.0.0			link.theplatform.com	# Autoplay video
Wow you really must not like video.

Re: Chrome will begin pausing many Flash ads by default on September 1

#103

I hope that Google takes the next, bigger step and kills its YouTube Flash player. The HTML5 one is superior in almost every way and so many browsers now support HTML5[1]. It would be a really meaningful statement. This is just a bit 'meh'. [1] http://html5readiness.com/

The YouTube HTML player removed the "watch later" list button which I used to use a lot.

So, there is a very specific example of how the YouTube Flash player was superior to the HTML5 one. At least for my use case.

[I doubt this an HTML vs Flash issue, though]

Re: Chrome will begin pausing many Flash ads by default on September 1

#104
post #64

I've had pretty much zero consequences from disabling Flash globally in all my browsers. Where is Flash still essential?

Flash is essential for harmony of your twosome life if you share your computer with your girlfriend who plays facebook games.

Just have her use Chrome for that. I don't have Flash installed, and I just copy and paste a URL into Chrome if some website's video player requires Flash with no HTML5 fallback.

Re: Chrome will begin pausing many Flash ads by default on September 1

#105
post #64

I've had pretty much zero consequences from disabling Flash globally in all my browsers. Where is Flash still essential?

Videos in UK newspapers. bbc iplayer on Mac and GNU/Linux

BBC iPlayer I don't mind (got a TV box thing), but BBC News is annoying. Videos don't work.

Re: Chrome will begin pausing many Flash ads by default on September 1

#106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are millions of flash games that my kids would not appreciate losing access to; YouTube still uses flash by default I think; iPlayer (BBC program player) and news websites still mainly [or exclusively] use flash.

YouTube uses flash if it thinks you have flash. Otherwise if no flash installed or plugin disabled it defaults to HTML5 (Firefox on GNU/Linux and Mac)

I use flash blocker specifically for youtube, so that it doesn't start playing when I queue up a tab. When I get to the tab I enable flash for that player. Gonna be annoying when that doesn't work. Not that I don't want flash to disappear.

Re: Chrome will begin pausing many Flash ads by default on September 1

#107
post #22

I can already disable flash ads. Good luck disabling HTML 5 ads without browser plugins support.

I've gotten high mileage by blocking OVPs directly. I'm advocating doing this to encourage video providers to NOT enable autoplay on video. 0.0.0.0 www.autofixinfo.com # Autoplay video 0.0.0.0 c.brightcove.com # Autoplay video 0.0.0.0 player.theplatform.com # Autoplay video 0.0.0.0 link.theplatform.com # Autoplay video 0.0.0.0 ci-2862d2c8d6-68f418d2.http.atlas.cdn.yimg.com # Autoplay video 0.0.0.0 video-img2.thedaily…

Firefox provides the "media.autoplay.enabled" setting, which can be disabled. It's a very difficult setting to implement correctly, but it works most of the time. The larger trouble is that many websites, including YouTube, expect autoplay to work and act slightly wonky when it doesn't.

Edit: Have some bug links

Original reporter suggesting the setting should apply to HTML5 media. Includes a very long discussion of the problem and why it's difficult: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=659285

Bug about websites that assume autoplay works, marked invalid because those websites shouldn't(?) make that assumption: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1173848

Re: Chrome will begin pausing many Flash ads by default on September 1

#108
post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube uses flash if it thinks you have flash. Otherwise if no flash installed or plugin disabled it defaults to HTML5 (Firefox on GNU/Linux and Mac)

I use flash blocker specifically for youtube, so that it doesn't start playing when I queue up a tab. When I get to the tab I enable flash for that player. Gonna be annoying when that doesn't work. Not that I don't want flash to disappear.

Firefox provides the "media.autoplay.enabled" setting to turn off autoplaying HTML5 media. Beware, it is slightly "buggy" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10135004

Re: Chrome will begin pausing many Flash ads by default on September 1

#109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>* I've gotten high mileage by blocking VPNs directly.* Uh... oh! You meant CDNs? I'd suspect there'd be a lot of collateral damage if you block entire CDNs, no?

As I discovered while looking for targets of opportunity, the term of art is apparently "online video provider", or OVP ( not "VPN" as I'd first written, thinking "video provider network". "Tips for Choosing an Online Video Platform (OVP)" http://www.streamingmedia.com/Articles/Editorial/Featured-Ar... Yes, there's collateral damage. I'll take it. If needs be, I'll hop into /etc/hosts and unblock for a moment.

If you have a mac, I highly recommend gas mask for switching hosts files.

Re: Chrome will begin pausing many Flash ads by default on September 1

#110

The irony is that while they recommend converting ads to html5 (or auto convert them with swiffy), the performance goes to shit as well, arguably even worse than flash would have been, at least on mobile. - http://venturebeat.com/2015/02/25/google-now-automatically-c... - https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=467709 - https://plus.google.com/+ArtemRussakovskii/posts/MtcZGJprWje

    So, in general, swiffy appears to be a relatively heavyweight solution that
    is not (yet?) optimized for mobile devices. Morever, there are 4 (yes 4!)
    giant swiffy ads on the landing page of androidpolice.com, each of which
    consumes more than half the viewport, all of which are dynamic.
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