Seems like the original blog post was deleted, here is the archive - https://web.archive.org/web/20150811052336/https://blogs.ora...
Glorious. Somewhat surprised it was taken down, though.
“Stop reverse engineering our code”
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#102I don't understand why everybody is mad about this post, oracle has proprietary software that is bound with a license. In that sense I don't see why people do not moan about having to pay a rent because your tenancy contract that you signed says so... Long story short, its a right of a SOFTWARE mostly company to protect its software, open source is not always the solution and reverse engineering something, consumes w…
> open source is not always the solution and reverse engineering something, consumes way more energy for the problems it actually solves. You think customers are reverse engineering Oracle products for fun ? They're doing it because there's a problem somewhere, they've filed a bug report and not got a satisfactory result, and so they have to go pay an expensive consultant to try and track down the problem for them wi…
What's wrong with reversing for fun? It's how progress of technology happens.
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#103Wow. Really? This single blog post is strong evidence for why you should never, ever buy an Oracle product, and if you are running anything written by them, why you should plan to migrate away. Now, the culture of consultants in the Oracle sphere of influence is pretty toxic and money-grubbing. I can imagine companies being badgered into paying security weasels big bucks to analyze software with tools that cough up a…
Stanford was taken to the cleaners to the tune of $1.5 x 10^8 USD in the deployment of Oracle Financials and related products via endless "consultant implementation" charges that didn't really deliver much value, were rarely on schedule or on budget. Oracle's enterprise calendaring program was totally inadequate and had UX that made most point-of-sale systems look effortless by contrast. Also, the assets managing app…
The place where I work, regret a decision to use Oracle, our application build with Oracle Form Builder, which is awfully hard to use, broken easily. But I must admit, their pre-sales really good at describing their product, my boss really hooked up by them. "Oh, for that problem we have this, it will cost this much, but for now, you can just use it for free" then some wild invoice came to our office.
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#104It seems to have been removed, here's a pastebin of the original post: http://pastebin.com/bbMshdU1
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#105Oracle pulled the original post - here it is on pastebin http://pastebin.com/wkk8b7FJ
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ten out of ten for authenticity, minus several million for authentically saying something that's a good idea.
Agreed. The author is clearly wrong on a bunch of fronts; I don't think anyone here would argue otherwise. I just don't understand the hatred directed towards someone who's writing without the usual corporate brain-mouth filter ...
I see a few objections in this HN thread to the tone, but the primary objection (and my objection) is to the content.
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#107So, I disagree with the poster on a bunch of things here (no surprise, really). But: this is authentic. This is what we (i.e. hackers) are always claiming we want. Someone speaking her mind, shooting from the hip, etc. Not an anodyne blob of corporate-speak: this is an opinion, stated pretty clearly, and backed up with fighting words. You'd expect: "Our legal team has advised us to remind consultants that they are bo…
You can be authentic and speak your mind without being arrogant, insulting, and condescending. In terms of tone, I wouldn't hold this up as a good example - it distracts from any legitimate argument the writer may or may not have.
You can be authentic and speak your mind without being arrogant, insulting, and condescending
If you are by nature arrogant, insulting, and condescending, then no, you can't.
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#108Link is giving me a 404. Anyone got a mirror?
https://web.archive.org/web/20150811052336/https://blogs.ora...
Just in case a robot.txt kills that
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#109Wow. Really? This single blog post is strong evidence for why you should never, ever buy an Oracle product, and if you are running anything written by them, why you should plan to migrate away. Now, the culture of consultants in the Oracle sphere of influence is pretty toxic and money-grubbing. I can imagine companies being badgered into paying security weasels big bucks to analyze software with tools that cough up a…
I've recently read "The Difference Between God and Larry Ellison *God Doesn't Think He's Larry Ellison" and while it was published over 10 years ago, this sounds exactly like a lot of things that happened in the book. The Oracle corporate culture seems to basically be reflection of Larry Ellison's megalomania. Their will to rack sales is just insatiable.
You might enjoy this talk by Bryan Cantrill, where he describes the Oracle acquisition of Sun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc&t=34m7s
> "what you think of Oracle is even truer than you think it is. There has been no entity in human history with less complexity or nuance to it than Oracle"
> "this company is about one man and his alter ego and what he wants to inflict upon humanity"
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And how could I forget this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79fvDDPaIoY&t=24m
> "and then, the Nazis invaded"
> "for a while I tried to not go to Nazi allegory when talking about Oracle but I actually think that it does a dis-service to not go to Nazi allegory because if I don't use Nazi allegory when referring to Oracle there's some critical understanding that I have left on the table"
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#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
Stanford was taken to the cleaners to the tune of $1.5 x 10^8 USD in the deployment of Oracle Financials and related products via endless "consultant implementation" charges that didn't really deliver much value, were rarely on schedule or on budget. Oracle's enterprise calendaring program was totally inadequate and had UX that made most point-of-sale systems look effortless by contrast. Also, the assets managing app…
The place where I work, regret a decision to use Oracle, our application build with Oracle Form Builder, which is awfully hard to use, broken easily. But I must admit, their pre-sales really good at describing their product, my boss really hooked up by them. "Oh, for that problem we have this, it will cost this much, but for now, you can just use it for free" then some wild invoice came to our office.
The dept I used to work at was mostly ex-B4 people and I later did enterprise consulting later: What happens is that sales people talk to people high enough up on the food chain that they get the run of the place, and so it's nearly impossible to kick them out or refuse their requests without a substantial political cost/justification. It's called "building a beachhead" and involves the engagement team worming their way up to a client's CTO or even CEO, if possible. I've been deployed as a client-facing "technical"# consultant, and I got really good at it (if I do say so myself): creating additional staff roles, developing opportunities and frenimizing other consulting shops... without inventing things that didn't need doing or creating bullsh!t jobs.
# My mind was more on how to grow the business while simultaneously helping the client fix their deployments. Seriously, the sales guy was dead weight and dumb as a bag of broken rocks but looked good in suit and could talk in nonstop sports metaphors and bizease clichés.
The measure of how a software company values its customers is in the post-sales support... just asking some users how it's going is better than hiding out or DKing them. (About '03/'04, Dell took us out to see the server factory in Round Rock, but went radio silent after a significant purchase.)