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Re: Firefox 42 will not allow unsigned extensions

#101
I use several small add-ons I wrote myself. Why should I have to get Mozilla's approval before I can install my own damn add-ons? One of them executes processes and I'm 99% sure it'll fail the automated review.

EDIT: It passed the automated review, but my point stands. If I wrote the code, then you can be damn sure I trust it.

Re: Firefox 42 will not allow unsigned extensions

#102
I like the fact that a security issue is being tackled. What I absolutely hate is the fact that there are no ways to turn this option off.

Just like HSTS I can't turn this off and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Were originally I considered firebox to be a browser for power users, now I'm not too sure any more.

Re: Firefox 42 will not allow unsigned extensions

#103
Mozilla's hypocrisy is astounding:

https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2013/01/29/putting-users-i...

"Users should have the choice of what software and plugins run on their machine."

https://blog.mozilla.org/theden/2014/12/15/introducing-a-sma...

"Firefox is dedicated to putting users in control of their online experience"

More recently:

https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2015/06/02/firefox-puts-you-in...

"Firefox Puts You in Control of Your Online Life".

The slogan, as found on https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/ , is now "Firefox is created by a global non-profit dedicated to putting individuals in control online." I believe it used to be "users" - see above - but was silently changed. I suppose these "individuals" are the people at Mozilla...?

Re: Firefox 42 will not allow unsigned extensions

#104
post #18
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why don't we teach people the don't understand so they can make informed choices instead of preventing it entirely?

Because that's been such an unqualified success for the last 30 years we've tried it.

30 years is not long enough.

Literacy took much longer, but the benefits are clear today.

Re: Firefox 42 will not allow unsigned extensions

#106
post #30

This is deeply disappointing. Two details: the extensions need to be signed by Mozilla , and only US English speakers will be allowed to disable this requirement. The point of free software is that users, individually and collectively, are free to modify it as they wish, without requiring approval from third parties. (And of course to use, copy, and redistribute.) This is a sharp turn away from the free-software etho…

Mozilla have been doing odd things in recent years, almost like they are transitioning into an authoritarian movement. Want to use unsanctioned extensions? No, go away. Want to use non-secure HTTP? Sure, but we will take away your features. Want to work for them but have unapproved views? Fired. All this is from viewing them as an outsider, so you never know, but something is different.

Re: Firefox 42 will not allow unsigned extensions

#107
post #66
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps they assume that to program enough to write an extension, you need to learn English. I’ve met people here in Argentina who say that. My view is that, even if that is the status quo ante (and I’m not sure it really is) it’s a status quo we must disrupt, not ossify.

Wise words, kragen. With the excuse "you need english because" a new form of imperialism is on the making. And what is worse, is that this attitude is often self-imposed.

I think your are mixing “English, the lingua franca”, with “English, the language spoken in the US”.

Why would using the lingua franca that everyone agrees on be imperialism?

Re: Firefox 42 will not allow unsigned extensions

#108
post #30

This is deeply disappointing. Two details: the extensions need to be signed by Mozilla , and only US English speakers will be allowed to disable this requirement. The point of free software is that users, individually and collectively, are free to modify it as they wish, without requiring approval from third parties. (And of course to use, copy, and redistribute.) This is a sharp turn away from the free-software etho…

I understand the issue of users being tricked into downloading and installing malicious extensions. If you let someone program, they will be able to paste malicious code. I just don’t think that taking away users’ ability to modify their own browsers is an acceptable solution to that.

I think it's just another battle in The War on General Purpose Computing. I like to keep this quote in mind: "Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes."

Re: Firefox 42 will not allow unsigned extensions

#109
Ad-blockers have finally reached a point that the financiers of the major browsers are setting the groundwork for tightening the screws on them. Not right now, but in a couple years when earnings start trending down. Google and Yahoo -- driven by ads -- fund Chrome and Firefox, over half the browser market.

Nobody innately wants to be evil; these are still * mostly * engineer driven companies. But when it comes to an extensential crisis of revenue vs freedom, there is no real choice.

So thanks guys. We had a good run with open browsers, but it is quickly drawing closed because you just couldn't stand the ANNOYANCE of seeing ads next to your content. It's been fun, and now back to the darkness we go.

Re: Firefox 42 will not allow unsigned extensions

#110
post #47

It's little more than a year ago that Brendan Eich was ousted from Mozilla by an ugly orchestrated cabal. When I read Mitchell Baker's vapid blog post [1] on the decision, filled with polite backstabbing and politically correct buzzwordery I understood that Mozilla has been taken over by politicians and that its decline is just a matter of time. [1] https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/04/03/brendan-eich-steps-...

I have been looking at https://input.mozilla.org/ now and then for a long time, and I am still astounded at how it's typically around 90% unhappy, 10% happy.

I know that some Mozilla supporters will justify that huge difference by saying, "but unhappy people will always complain and happy people won't say anything", but I don't think that's necessarily the case. Here we have Mozilla's own stats saying that a lot of their users are extremely unhappy with Firefox.

Clearly something is very wrong for the disapproval rating to be so high, and the satisfaction rating to be so low. In other situations, such a high disapproval rating would be met with extreme concern, immediate retrospection, and panic.

Even in the case of US presidents, where people don't have an immediate alternative like they do with web browsers, and where people's emotions run rampant, it's very rare to see an approval rating under 40%. The very worst approval ratings still are around 25%.

So something is seriously wrong for Mozilla's products to consistently have an approval rating of only 10%, or even 20% if we're being generous.

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